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Old 09-16-2006, 10:18 PM
John Deere John Deere is offline
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Default Another river dilemma

Upon looking at this hand now, I'm surprised I raised PF with two limpers. Should I have?

Full Tilt Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $2/$4
6 players
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Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, CO calls, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises</font>, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls, CO calls.

Flop: 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (10SB, 5 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets</font>, 2 folds, CO calls, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises</font>, SB calls, CO calls.

Wonderful! This is exactly what I wanted, I guess (well, I guess I could have flopped the flush).

Turn: 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (8BB, 3 players)
SB checks, CO checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>, SB calls, CO folds.

River: 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (10BB, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero ...?

I think that there's an excellent chance that SB has an ace based on his play. And if I bet and he calls, then in all likelihood, he does have it, and it will be with a better kicker. Is there value in betting this river? Do you think that a worse hand will call enough?
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Old 09-16-2006, 10:39 PM
LeeroyJenkins LeeroyJenkins is offline
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Default Re: Another river dilemma

I think I call PF and bet the river if SB is aggressive otherwise check
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Old 09-16-2006, 11:30 PM
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Default Re: Another river dilemma

With the clubs on the board (and you having the ace of clubs), I'd expect SB to c/r the field with an ace. Pot's big, so SB will be looking for an excuse to look you up. So I say go ahead and bet.
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Old 09-16-2006, 11:37 PM
milesdyson milesdyson is offline
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Default Re: Another river dilemma

why are guys raising A5s otb with two limpers now? this is the second hand post ive seen where someone did this.

and there's probably a tiny amount of ev in a river bet.
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Old 09-17-2006, 12:36 AM
John Deere John Deere is offline
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Default Re: Another river dilemma

When I went back to look at the hand (I made note that I wanted to post about it at the time), I noticed the PF raise, and am quite surprised with myself. Don't know why I did it... may have been an error associated with multi-tabling and not realizing there were already two limpers.
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Old 09-17-2006, 12:40 AM
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Default Re: Another river dilemma

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why are guys raising A5s otb with two limpers now? this is the second hand post ive seen where someone did this.

and there's probably a tiny amount of ev in a river bet.

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Because the hand chart told them to.

Really it does, take a look.
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Old 09-17-2006, 12:48 AM
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Default Re: Another river dilemma

i raise a5s every time here holla

i would either never raise ui or check the river
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Old 09-17-2006, 12:59 AM
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gerhrieg, you are easily the most lag ever.
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Old 09-17-2006, 01:01 AM
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Default Re: Another river dilemma

i used to raise a2s utg but i found out i should stop doing that unless i have a good reason to such as having lost the previous pot
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Old 09-17-2006, 01:04 AM
detruncate detruncate is offline
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Default Re: Another river dilemma

I don't like the pf raise.

River is a clear value bet. A better kicker is a possibility, but so are tens, 6s, 7s, pocket pairs.

Edit: missed the flop donk. River is close. Probably still worth betting, but I don't hate a check.
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