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Old 09-15-2006, 11:46 PM
Isura Isura is offline
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Default KK tough spot

Dude is pretty new but seems a bit wild and likes to bet. He is loose preflop too. Should I hate the A or is it irrelevant here?


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SB ($400)
BB ($294.26)
Hero ($528.65)
MP ($342.71)
Button ($161.25)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $2.
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $14</font>, MP calls $14, Button calls $14, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>.

Flop: ($48) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $35</font>, MP calls $35, Button folds.

Turn: ($118) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players) </font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333"> MP bets $118</font>
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Old 09-15-2006, 11:52 PM
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Default Re: KK tough spot

sets,A9 AcXc beats you but you induced a bluff so call, he could bet a lot of hands you beat.

I might have block bet the turn but your line might be more profitable.
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Old 09-15-2006, 11:58 PM
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Default Re: KK tough spot

I like a call, he's on a draw (or FOS) a lot here. Or on two pr set, which he represent. That's very vilain dependent.
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Old 09-16-2006, 12:01 AM
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Default Re: KK tough spot

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sets,A9 AcXc beats you but you induced a bluff so call, he could bet a lot of hands you beat.

I might have block bet the turn but your line might be more profitable.

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so you call turn and river is a blank and then you check again and the guy is going to push. i don't like a call here. i think folding is your best option
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Old 09-16-2006, 12:02 AM
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sets,A9 AcXc beats you but you induced a bluff so call, he could bet a lot of hands you beat.

I might have block bet the turn but your line might be more profitable.

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so you call turn and river is a blank and then you check again and the guy bets 3/4 pot and you fold. i don't like a call here. i think a fold is better because he is going to push that river

so you call turn and river is a blank and then you check again and the guy bets 3/4 pot and you fold. i don't like a call

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Huh? Why do we have to fold river? Why can't a river fold be right after a turn call?
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Old 09-16-2006, 12:04 AM
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my mind was somewhere else i just edited it.
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Old 09-16-2006, 12:11 AM
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Default Re: KK tough spot

this is a really bad spot.

If you call, your hand is pretty much face up so you probabaly have to call off all your stack if a blank falls on the river. It is however very likely that he calls the flop with a flushdraw, but he may have been on the nut flush draw or have a set.

I think this is a fold without a strong read.
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Old 09-16-2006, 12:13 AM
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Default Re: KK tough spot

this bites.

why not lead the turn for $75 instead?
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Old 09-16-2006, 12:16 AM
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turn is easy lead. lead strong (75-80). last money that goes in the pot. that ace should scare him as much as you and he'll tell you if it doesn't.
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Old 09-16-2006, 12:25 AM
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sets,A9 AcXc beats you but you induced a bluff so call, he could bet a lot of hands you beat.

I might have block bet the turn but your line might be more profitable.

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so you call turn and river is a blank and then you check again and the guy is going to push. i don't like a call here. i think folding is your best option

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sure river is gonna be a bitch to play but if you're better than your opponent this line could make more $$ then betting turn. Also OP's read (loose pf, wild postflop) makes me think he will be bluffing to often. I also don't think you will be vbet to death by AcXc bc he has to be worried you are taking this line with AK.
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