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Old 09-15-2006, 07:56 PM
ClockWyze ClockWyze is offline
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Default (215) Semi-deep stacked top pair with nut flush draw

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***** Hand History for Game 5177438999 *****
NL Texas Hold'em 215 Buy-in Trny:28763328 Level:4 Blinds(100/200) - Friday, September 15, 17:12:35 ET 2006
Table Table 112743 (Real Money)
Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 7
Seat 8: VolumeOverSkill ( 2850 )
Seat 5: schaperone ( 1075 )
Seat 1: RustyAces ( 3390 )
Seat 7: e_silva ( 1530 )
Seat 3: MIRAMAXMERL ( 2420 )
Seat 4: JJCHAMBO75 ( 1958 )
Seat 2: harrypoker77 ( 6777 )
Trny:28763328 Level:4
Blinds(100/200)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to VolumeOverSkill [ 8s As ]
harrypoker77 calls [200].
MIRAMAXMERL folds.
>You have options at Table 112322 Table!.
JJCHAMBO75 folds.
schaperone folds.
e_silva folds.
VolumeOverSkill calls [100].
RustyAces checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 9s, Ah, 4s ]
VolumeOverSkill bets [350].
RustyAces folds.
harrypoker77 raises [1100].
>You have options at Table 114376 Table!.
VolumeOverSkill is all-In [2300]

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Old 09-15-2006, 08:03 PM
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Default Re: (215) Semi-deep stacked top pair with nut flush draw

I can't imagine not playing it this way.
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Old 09-15-2006, 11:25 PM
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Default Re: (215) Semi-deep stacked top pair with nut flush draw

standard.
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Old 09-16-2006, 12:05 AM
ClockWyze ClockWyze is offline
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Default Re: (215) Semi-deep stacked top pair with nut flush draw

Really? you guys feel it is that standard?

I am slight dog 45/55 to a hand like AK, AQ, AJ

35/65 against A9

30/70 against a spot.

Basically if I get called I am a dog.

Can anyone find a fold here with the check/raise?
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Old 09-16-2006, 12:29 AM
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Default Re: (215) Semi-deep stacked top pair with nut flush draw

You're also getting massive overlay, plus Villain should really think about the limited hand range you have.
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Old 09-16-2006, 02:25 AM
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Default Re: (215) Semi-deep stacked top pair with nut flush draw

His huge raise and huge stack basically pot comitted himself to the pot. Since he limped from early position, you must assume he has at least a big ace, if not a set of 9s or (less likely) a set of 4s made. You are probably going to find yourself at the very best, be a slight underdog in this pot. I would fold, unless I have a read knowing he is tricky agressive / or can lay down a big hand (like TPTK to a big 3rd reraise all in).
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Old 09-16-2006, 02:32 AM
DevinLake DevinLake is offline
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Default Re: (215) Semi-deep stacked top pair with nut flush draw

Well, if you are in love with this hand, this is not the way I'd play it.

If you are willing to go broke here, why not find a way to get a worse hand to put more chips in. 3-betting him here seems like a for sure way to get a fold or go broke.

So, the only reason to 3-bet is to protect against the draw. Is this villain playing a flush draw on a A-high flop this fast?

So, I'd probably call his min raise and hope to check raise him on the turn or value lead the river.
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Old 09-16-2006, 10:23 AM
ryanghall ryanghall is offline
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Default Re: (215) Semi-deep stacked top pair with nut flush draw

I'm playing this the same way as you played it.

Ryan
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Old 09-16-2006, 11:53 AM
azmodanix azmodanix is offline
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Default Re: (215) Semi-deep stacked top pair with nut flush draw

[ QUOTE ]
His huge raise and huge stack basically pot comitted himself to the pot. Since he limped from early position, you must assume he has at least a big ace, if not a set of 9s or (less likely) a set of 4s made. You are probably going to find yourself at the very best, be a slight underdog in this pot. I would fold, unless I have a read knowing he is tricky agressive / or can lay down a big hand (like TPTK to a big 3rd reraise all in).

[/ QUOTE ]

How can you fold even if you're a slight underdog... what about the pot odds?
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Old 09-16-2006, 12:02 PM
Jay Riall Jay Riall is offline
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Default Re: (215) Semi-deep stacked top pair with nut flush draw

I would crAI with these stack sizes. Yields more FE than a b/3b line imo.
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