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Old 09-14-2006, 08:58 PM
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Default [censored] spot with an overpair (50NL)

Villian is an unknown, only played an orbit or two with him.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

CO ($50.10)
Button ($53.75)
SB ($46.25)
Hero ($50)
UTG ($54.33)
MP ($39.33)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
UTG calls $0.50, MP calls $0.50, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $2</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $6.5</font>, UTG calls $6.50, MP folds, Button folds.

Flop: ($16.75) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $13</font>, UTG calls $13.

Turn: ($42.75) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero does what with $30 behind?

Spots like this piss me off. What's the best line here?
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Old 09-14-2006, 09:04 PM
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Default Re: [censored] spot with an overpair (50NL)

... pushes?
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Old 09-14-2006, 09:13 PM
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Default Re: [censored] spot with an overpair (50NL)

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... pushes?

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This is the intuitive answer, I suppose, but on this board, how often do we get called by a worse hand?
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Old 09-14-2006, 09:18 PM
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Default Re: [censored] spot with an overpair (50NL)

In a rrz'd pot its unlikely they have a flush or a str8. He limped in and cold called ur rrz pf, which is means he has a pair. So I would say either he has a set or combo draw with 77/JJ. I would just push and expect to win enough for those odds to be good.
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Old 09-14-2006, 09:20 PM
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Default Re: [censored] spot with an overpair (50NL)

You've managed to get a bunch of money in the pot with what appears to be the best hand. With thirty behind I don't see it as being anything but a push.
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Old 09-14-2006, 09:22 PM
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Default Re: [censored] spot with an overpair (50NL)

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This is the intuitive answer, I suppose, but on this board, how often do we get called by a worse hand?

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With a combo draw (OESD+pair), I reckon theres a good chance he calls. He might even put you on AK and call thinking his 77 is good too.
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Old 09-14-2006, 09:32 PM
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Default Re: [censored] spot with an overpair (50NL)

Your thinking probably applies better to situations where both you and villain have more money behind. i.e. you have AK, board K72, pot size $10 you have $40 behind so does villain. If you push $40 into this board, you're only called if you're beat.

In this case, you're happy to take it down if villain folds by betting $30 into a $42 pot. If you get A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]K, A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]Q or JJ to fold you're happy. If they call, you're ahead and made a +EV play. Its too late at this point to all of a sudden to decide your hand is no good and muck...

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This is the intuitive answer, I suppose, but on this board, how often do we get called by a worse hand?

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Old 09-15-2006, 02:33 AM
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Default Re: [censored] spot with an overpair (50NL)

Yeah, in retrospect there really isn't enough behind to do anything here. Villian's limp-call and that board just seemed [censored] as hell for QQ. Pushing seems fine now that I look back at it.

FWIW, I won the hand, but the way it played out seemed really crappy.

Edit: In general, I think one of my weak spots is getting confused in spots where stack size is between 0.75x and 1.5x pot when I have a hand that is marginal at best. There was another thread where someone had KK on a AQxx board where I really wasn't sure what to do on the turn.
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Old 09-15-2006, 03:51 AM
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Default Re: [censored] spot with an overpair (50NL)

Villain cold called a preflop raise after a limp, so you can probably put him on pairs or maybe a strange way to play AK. It's a weird move and makes me question his play.

I think the flop bet is ok, but I give up after that. You're just so vulnerable to so many hands.
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Old 09-15-2006, 04:15 AM
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Default Re: [censored] spot with an overpair (50NL)

C/F. These boards are some of the worse for big pocket pairs, especially OOP.
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