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Old 09-11-2006, 06:31 PM
Wizzawig Wizzawig is offline
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Default Intro and is this weak tight?

Hi all I've been playing SSPL for a couple of months and lurking on these forums. I do slightly better than break even, but think I may tend towards the weak tight. I've decided to post a few hands to see what you guys think.

Hope the converter works!

The hand below was one of my first at the table so I have no reads on the villan.

Party Poker
Pot Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
9 players
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Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, 2 folds, MP3 calls, CO (poster) checks, Button folds, SB calls, Hero (poster) checks.

Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($1.25, 5 players)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $1</font>, UTG+1 folds, MP3 calls, 2 folds.

Turn: Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($3.25, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $2</font>, MP3 calls.

River: 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($7.25, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $2</font>, <font color="#cc0000">MP3 raises to $12.9</font>, Hero folds.
Uncalled bets: $10.9 returned to MP3.

Results:
Final pot: $11.25

This hand has just been bothering me as I went from the nuts on the turn to folding the river. Do you think a lone Jack ever does this? I folded at the time because I thought several spades hands may have made it to the river and my hands quite well defined.

Do you think my river bet looks weak?

After this hand I noticed the villan often bet big on scare cards on the river (although I didn't see results) would this affect the decision?
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Old 09-11-2006, 06:37 PM
Jigsaws Jigsaws is offline
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Default Re: Intro and is this weak tight?

How is your hand well defined? I personally bet that turn with more hands than those that contain a J. Don't you bet with a set, an overpair or two pair there?

I bet more on the turn. Full pot - you have a vulnerable hand on a drawy board.

I call the push. Partly because your bet is so weak, and because, yes. naked jacks do push.

Oh, I forgot: welcome! And don't be scared off by the criticism. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
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Old 09-11-2006, 06:46 PM
marvin_1935 marvin_1935 is offline
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Default Re: Intro and is this weak tight?

your hand isnt defined well at all here imo. i would pot the turn for value against lone J's and 2 pair hands. what's up with that weak river bet? you're just asking to get blown off your hand. if your plan was to bet small on the river to induce a bluff i would say nh.
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Old 09-11-2006, 06:57 PM
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Default Re: Intro and is this weak tight?

Although Villain could have As9s or AsJs or Js8s or something, I see no real reason to give him credit for a flush. I would call the river raise and take my chances.

People at NL25 love to slowplay, and like Jigsaws says, yes, it could be a naked J.
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Old 09-11-2006, 07:26 PM
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Default Re: Intro and is this weak tight?

This is where a program like PokerTracker or PokerOffice is really handy. If this is a villian with an aggression factor of 0.5 doing this, you can safely exit the hand. Otherwise I'm calling.
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Old 09-12-2006, 04:31 AM
Wizzawig Wizzawig is offline
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Default Re: Intro and is this weak tight?

At the moment I'm not using PT or similar, trying to develop my game a bit first without it but it is something that I am considering.

This is a hand I didn't like my play in, so son't worry I won't be scared off by the criticism on the contary I encorage it [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img].

I would bet a set on this turn but maybe not 2 pair or an overpair (If I had KK or AA it would be a different situation with a raise PF). On such a coordinated board I would be worried with these. Is this really bad? What is our plan for the river on this board with the same action say if I held 9c9h?

Jigsaws you say I have a vulnerable hand what am I worried about except a spade? I can't see the villan having a set given the action and a K would only mean AJ beats me.
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Old 09-12-2006, 06:12 AM
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Default Re: Intro and is this weak tight?

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At the moment I'm not using PT or similar, trying to develop my game a bit first without it but it is something that I am considering.

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Do it! Seriously.

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Jigsaws you say I have a vulnerable hand what am I worried about except a spade? I can't see the villan having a set given the action and a K would only mean AJ beats me.

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Heh, he could easily have a set when he flat-calls your flop bet (I don't think he has a set when he pushes the river, but you don't know that on the turn). 25NLers loves to slowplay. You don't want to see a K or J for the split either. But even if only the spade outs were there, you should full pot the turn.
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Old 09-12-2006, 06:17 AM
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Default Re: Intro and is this weak tight?

I call this river bet. I generally don't take into runner runner flushes - perhaps this is a leak.

I also bet full pot on the turn.
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Old 09-12-2006, 06:47 AM
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Default Re: Intro and is this weak tight?

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Do it! Seriously.

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Noted

I was more worried about low suited connectors as lots of people limp them. Things like 89,87 or 76, it just felt how some people would play a combo draw.

But I'm not arguing pot the turn and call the river seems reasonable, with a stronger river bet if I'm not trying to induce the bluff.
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