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Old 09-10-2006, 08:09 PM
duckman duckman is offline
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Default Duckman does not want to value bet this river - should I

Villain is 55/17/1.5 over 150 hands
The king of spades is one of the worst cards to fall as it will make up a lot of 2 pair hands and completes a straight and a flush draw.
Do we just value you bet and call a raise here or is there such thing as "conditional" value betting. What guidelines do you use to not value bet? Or do you auto-value bet?
If raised do you fold?

Yes this guy is a Lag and overplays but no bluffs are yet recorded
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Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls, UTG calls, CO calls.

Flop: (8.40 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB folds, UTG folds, CO calls.

Turn: (6.20 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
CO checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, CO calls.

River: (8.20 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
CO checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets? <font color="#CC3333">.
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Old 09-10-2006, 08:11 PM
SlantNGo SlantNGo is offline
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Default Re: Duckman does not want to value bet this river - should I

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Villain is 55/17/1.5 over 150 hands
The king of spades is one of the worst cards to fall as it will make up a lot of 2 pair hands and completes a straight and a flush draw.

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Why do you say it makes up a lot of 2-pair hands? What range of hands can you put villain on such that you can say this?
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Old 09-10-2006, 08:14 PM
duckman duckman is offline
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Default Re: Duckman does not want to value bet this river - should I

KJ K9 K3 offsuit
I am just saying a lot of hands got here
Do you value bet here or not? and do you call a raise?
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Old 09-10-2006, 08:18 PM
AdamL AdamL is offline
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Default Re: Duckman does not want to value bet this river - should I

I'd just fold my option. You forgot K7o, too btw...
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Old 09-10-2006, 08:23 PM
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Default Re: Duckman does not want to value bet this river - should I

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I'd just fold my option. You forgot K7o, too btw...

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I am being serious so if the questions is too simple b/c this is standard then let me ask another perhaps too simple one.
Do you fold to a raise?
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Old 09-10-2006, 08:25 PM
AdamL AdamL is offline
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Default Re: Duckman does not want to value bet this river - should I

Of course not.
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Old 09-10-2006, 08:29 PM
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Default Re: Duckman does not want to value bet this river - should I

If villain got there, a lot of times he will bet out on the river for fear that you will check behind. So it's a bet. You have to get value from QJ/A9 type hands. If the villain check-raises on the river I would think about it for a while and call. He is overaggressive and KT is possible...at least 1 out of 11 times.
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Old 09-10-2006, 09:01 PM
Scary_Tiger Scary_Tiger is offline
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Default Re: Duckman does not want to value bet this river - should I

BET/CALL SHIP IT.
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Old 09-11-2006, 12:44 AM
ILOVEPOKER929 ILOVEPOKER929 is offline
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Default Re: Duckman does not want to value bet this river - should I

I bet/call the river. I can fold to a check/raise against many opponents in this spot, not this guy. About checking the river: I have AA against a retard, does it really matter what the board looks like? I bet.
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Old 09-11-2006, 01:18 AM
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Default Re: Duckman does not want to value bet this river - should I

duckman,

seriously? his hand range is full of 3x and he's going to call with all of them. sometimes he has a flush, god bless him when he does. I'd guess you're about a 5-1 favorite before your river bet.
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