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Old 01-26-2006, 12:48 AM
JC_Saves JC_Saves is offline
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Default Deep Stack AK hand late, would you make this laydown?

22 Deep Stack I am 30th out of 85, 65 is money.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t800 (9 handed) converter

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

UTG+1 (t9718)
MP1 (t6196)
Hero (t45115)
MP3 (t34978)
<font color="#C00000">CO (t88997)</font>
Button (t19742)
<font color="#C00000">SB (t89075)</font>
BB (t80343)
UTG (t10777)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t2400</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to t5600</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB calls t5200, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero folds.

Flop: (t13550) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets t14400</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to t28800</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to t83347</font>, SB calls t54547.

Turn: (t180244) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

River: (t180244) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: t180244

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
SB has Kd Ks (one pair, kings).
CO has Ac Ad (one pair, aces).
Outcome: CO wins t180244. </font>
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Old 01-26-2006, 12:50 AM
Scary_Tiger Scary_Tiger is offline
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Default Re: Deep Stack AK hand late, would you make this laydown?

Umm, call the preflop minraise, flop the nut straight and triple up.
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Old 01-26-2006, 12:53 AM
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Default Re: Deep Stack AK hand late, would you make this laydown?

I would see teh flop for sure.

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Old 01-26-2006, 12:56 AM
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Default Re: Deep Stack AK hand late, would you make this laydown?

I think you are being blinded by the results as the what was the correct preflop play. The amount in the pot compared to what you have to call is very high, therefore you have to call this. You're dumping it on the flop, but you should have at least seen the flop.
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Old 01-26-2006, 01:03 AM
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Default Re: Deep Stack AK hand late, would you make this laydown?

well, the read I had on these two were that they were pretty solid and were not doing anything dumb. Therefore I gave them credit for big hands.
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Old 01-26-2006, 01:12 AM
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Default Re: Deep Stack AK hand late, would you make this laydown?

auto call
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Old 01-26-2006, 01:16 AM
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Default Re: Deep Stack AK hand late, would you make this laydown?

I think you are focusing too much on the result of the actual hand. You need to think about the range of hands your opponents could have in this situation. With the range of hands in mind this is a standard preflop call because your odds are so good.
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Old 01-26-2006, 01:52 AM
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Default Re: Deep Stack AK hand late, would you make this laydown?

Even if you just know that you are beaten you still call?

Haven't you ever had the feeling that you were up against exactly what you thought you were up against?

Granted it would have been easy to fold this on the flop, but I nailed exactly what they had. I just felt it.
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Old 01-26-2006, 02:10 AM
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Default Re: Deep Stack AK hand late, would you make this laydown?

i would call here, but i don't think folding is horrible.
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Old 01-26-2006, 03:21 AM
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Default Re: Deep Stack AK hand late, would you make this laydown?

[ QUOTE ]
Even if you just know that you are beaten you still call?

Haven't you ever had the feeling that you were up against exactly what you thought you were up against?

Granted it would have been easy to fold this on the flop, but I nailed exactly what they had. I just felt it.

[/ QUOTE ]

22 is ahead of you too, but are you folding?

If your read is so tight that they're on AA and KK, then yeah, fold. But put them with JJ and QQ (not bad hands) and you win about 36% of the time. And that's leaving out other good hands that even rocks would play. AQs or AJs in the small blind and he's got to call the raise, and you dominate him.

You're putting 3200 into a 14000 pot. You've got to like those odds with AK even against two tight players.
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