3/6 JJ in Multiway Pot

Doyan · #1 09-10-2006, 03:18 PM

Villian Info:
Button - VP$IP is 21.85 and PF raise is 10.08 over roughly 100 hands.

BB - fairly unknown only have roughly 20 hands played with him, over those hands nothing really stands out. VP$IP is 39.13 and PF raise is 17.39 but this is over a very small sample, so could be way off.

PokerStars 3/6 Hold'em (10 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
Hero raises, UTG+1 calls, 4 folds, CO calls, Button 3-bets, 1 fold, BB calls, Hero caps, UTG+1 calls, CO folds, Button calls, BB calls.

Flop: (18.33 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 folds, Button raises, BB 3-bets, Hero calls, Button calls.

Turn: (13.66 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, Button bets, BB calls, Hero calls.

River: (16.66 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, Button checks.

Final Pot: 16.66 BB
Main Pot: 16.66 BB, between Hero, Button and BB.

After looking over this I was just curious if I played it poorly or should have done anything differently.

mjkidd · #2 09-10-2006, 03:27 PM

I think it looks fine. You capped preflop, lead the flop, and got raised and reraised. You've shown nothing but strength, and these guys don't seem too worried about it. Your read on both players is they are fairly reasonable (and even if they're a little crazy a raise and a reraise on that flop tells you you probably want to slow down). Just call down, I think...at best you're against 88 and TT or something.

ncboiler · #3 09-10-2006, 03:35 PM

NH. The big question I see is the flop. You bet and button raised after you had capped the flop. BB three bets. This could mean a lot of things and it wouldn't neccessarily concern me but now you are putting in two more bets, don't close the action and are up against at least one person (button) that is pretty sure he has you beat. That being said I play it the same and expect to get beat by button's KK or QQ.

Bullitos · #4 09-10-2006, 05:52 PM

I would play this the same, you just can't fold on the flop yet. Since all the action stopped on the turn calling for 1 bet is a must.

Are you check/folding the river? The A is really bad and kills a lot of hands you could still have beat by the turn. I don't think you can call this river.

JJH3984 · #5 09-10-2006, 06:30 PM

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Are you check/folding the river? The A is really bad and kills a lot of hands you could still have beat by the turn. I don't think you can call this river.

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I disagree. I think the ace helps nothing considering the action.

Doyan · #6 09-10-2006, 06:31 PM

Ya Bullitos I honestly wouldn't have been suprised to see the BB wake up at this point when the ace hit. When he just check/called the turn it kind of looked like he might have overs. I would have figured if he had top pair on the flop and hit trips on the turn he would have check-raised the button instead of just check-calling.

Bullitos · #7 09-11-2006, 04:44 AM

What hands do you think they both have in that case?

alul · #8 09-11-2006, 07:50 PM

I would strongly consider folding on the flop to 3-bet. It really looks like we are beat and if we are we do not have odds to draw.

Xhad · #9 09-11-2006, 08:19 PM

Folding the flop is absurd. If both villains kept raising you could realistically dump this on the turn, but as of the flop 3bet you could easily be against 2 underpairs, and the pot is over 10BB.

alul · #10 09-11-2006, 08:30 PM

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Folding the flop is absurd. If both villains kept raising you could realistically dump this on the turn, but as of the flop 3bet you could easily be against 2 underpairs, and the pot is over 10BB.

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If it's an absurd, what's your plan? How often do you think our hand is good here? Because if you call the flop 3-bet, you are dedicated to call this down. And you can get sandwiched between two players with a hand which is very possibly behind and has a very small chance to improve.