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Old 09-10-2006, 12:25 AM
jakeduke jakeduke is offline
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Default Valid TPTK line against lag? 100nl 6 Max

Villain is about 60/20/3 after 4ish orbits. I'm viewed as a TAG most likely. Villain likes to push people around as far as I can tell, but a pot this big hasn't come up yet.

Do I raise the flop/turn here? Fold the river? I feel like a flop raise is bad, since I'm not sure villain will call a raise with much that I beat. On this board it seems much better to let villain fire away, but is this too much? Can I assign a moderately narrow range to villain ever? I tried at the time and really thought he could have anything.

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $94
UTG+1: $205.25
CO: $98.50
hero: $98.50
SB: $97.50
BB: $114.85

Pre-flop: (6 players) hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
3 folds, <font color="#cc0000">hero raises to $3.5</font>, SB folds, BB calls.

Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($7.5, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">BB bets $7.5</font>, hero calls.

Turn: 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($22.5, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">BB bets $22.5</font>, hero calls.

River: 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($67.5, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">BB is all-in $81.35</font>, <font color="#cc0000">hero calls all-in $65</font>.
Uncalled bets: $16.35 returned to BB.

Results:
Final pot: $197.5
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Old 09-10-2006, 12:54 AM
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Default Re: Valid TPTK line against lag? 100nl 6 Max

looks good.
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Old 09-10-2006, 12:56 AM
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Default Re: Valid TPTK line against lag? 100nl 6 Max

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I feel like a flop raise is bad, since I'm not sure villain will call a raise with much that I beat.

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This isn't true, vs thinking aggros in blind battles I'll somtimes raise dry flops with hands that I shouldn't since they will put me on air and push back sometimes. Have to be more willing to play for stacks with solid tp hands vs aggros. Have fun with the variance.
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Old 09-10-2006, 12:59 AM
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Default Re: Valid TPTK line against lag? 100nl 6 Max

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Have fun with the variance.

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Hooray variance.

So if I had raised the flop and villain had pushed, you think calling is good?
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Old 09-10-2006, 01:01 AM
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Looks good against this villain. I don't really see a spot you could fold. I do kinda like a flop raise though. At the very least it'll give you some control over the hand so you can check the turn/call the river if you just want to get to showdown.
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Old 09-10-2006, 01:03 AM
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Have fun with the variance.

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Hooray variance.

So if I had raised the flop and villain had pushed, you think calling is good?

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I would never raise this flop with intention of folding vs this guy.
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Old 09-10-2006, 01:11 AM
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I would never raise this flop with intention of folding vs this guy.

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Ok just checkin.


Keyser,

Does raising the flop really grant me any pot control? If I raise the flop and ck the turn, villain is very likely to bet (probably AI) any river, no?
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Old 09-10-2006, 01:58 AM
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Default Re: Valid TPTK line against lag? 100nl 6 Max

villain either just 3-barrelled T8 or J9
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Old 09-10-2006, 02:13 AM
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Default Re: Valid TPTK line against lag? 100nl 6 Max

I don't like it. You're only beating TPWK hands on a totally dry board. If this guy has any brains at all, he'd realize your smooth call on the flop had to mean you had something, yet he seems totally content to stack off. If he'd been double-barreling a lot, the flop and turn calls are fine, but I think the river is a fold. This hand, in a general sense, is why lagging is so profitable.
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Old 09-10-2006, 02:26 AM
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I would never raise this flop with intention of folding vs this guy.

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Ok just checkin.


Keyser,

Does raising the flop really grant me any pot control? If I raise the flop and ck the turn, villain is very likely to bet (probably AI) any river, no?

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If you make it $22 on the flop and are able to check the turn behind, you'll have about $70 behind with a little over $50 in the middle so he probably doesn't shove that often. But even if he does shove I think you can call profitably. Raising the flop then checking the turn might induce more bluffs since your hand looks like a whiffed AK.
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