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Old 09-07-2006, 09:22 PM
Unguarded Unguarded is offline
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Default TPGK, get c\'rd on the turn

Both SB and UTG seem to be decent TAGs over a small sample size. How should I continue here?

Absolute Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $1/$2
5 players
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Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG calls, CO folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#cc0000">SB 3-bets</font>, BB folds, UTG calls, Hero calls.

Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (10SB, 3 players )
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets</font>, UTG calls, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises</font>, SB calls, UTG calls

Turn: 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (8BB, 3 players )
SB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>, SB calls, <font color="#cc0000">UTG raises</font>, Hero ???
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Old 09-07-2006, 09:24 PM
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Default Re: TPGK, get c\'rd on the turn

Call down. He was slowplaying pretty often but it's not a fold.
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Old 09-07-2006, 09:43 PM
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Default Re: TPGK, get c\'rd on the turn

This is a sure call-down without more of a read. Also, I think your table image is important here. If you've seen UTG try to make a move like this before, or if you've been overly aggressive recently, a re-raise might be in order.
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Old 09-07-2006, 09:47 PM
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Default Re: TPGK, get c\'rd on the turn

EZ calldown dude!
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Old 09-07-2006, 10:12 PM
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Default Re: TPGK, get c\'rd on the turn

what are we hoping to see here really?
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Old 09-07-2006, 11:38 PM
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Default Re: TPGK, get c\'rd on the turn

I can generally release this hand when he CR's two of you on the turn. He's know's he's going to showdown vs. two players who've shown alot of strengh in one from or another. Note his hand when the SB calls him down.
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Old 09-07-2006, 11:51 PM
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Default Re: TPGK, get c\'rd on the turn

We're getting 6.5-1 effective odds (provided no more bets from the SB, 7.5-1 if he also calls) to call this down. Think you're going to be good that often?

We're drawing dead to his most likely holding (a set), have between 3 and 7 outs vs two pair, and at best he is making a wierd play with Axs hearts and are going to lose about approx, 25% of the time that we're ahead at this point.

I think this a clear fold with the TAGish read. Feel free to collect me if you don't agree.
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Old 09-08-2006, 12:49 AM
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I consider myself a TAG, just as these opponents are said to be. But as a TAG I feel like I can also be "tricky" at times, meaning I can make bluffs and check/raise the raiser when I feel it could fold a better hand. This is why I think more of a read is needed to make anything other than a call-down, and why a call-down is definitely the best play here without the read.
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Old 09-08-2006, 01:01 AM
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Would CRing this turn in this spot with a draw ever even cross your mind? It's going a fold a better hand like never.
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Old 09-08-2006, 01:27 AM
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Default Re: TPGK, get c\'rd on the turn

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Would CRing this turn in this spot with a draw ever even cross your mind? It's going a fold a better hand like never.

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I agree, I don't see how CRing at this point with a draw could be +EV at all.
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