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6 | 11.32% |
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5 | 9.43% |
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09-07-2006, 05:00 PM
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simple preflop poll
My first post, maybe too simple
 I am having an argument with my frend.Here's a poll. If you want you can also tell why. The game is 5/10 short handed limit holdem and players are pretty bad. A raise and two cold callers, you are in the big blind with 63o. Your action? 
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09-07-2006, 05:02 PM
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Re: simple preflop poll
You should post this in the shorthanded forum.
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09-07-2006, 05:11 PM
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Re: simple preflop poll
It's sooted in this hand, but I think it illustrates the point pretty well:
Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums) Preflop: Hero is BB with 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, SB calls, Hero calls. Flop: (6 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> SB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, SB calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP1 calls, <font color="#CC3333">SB 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, MP1 calls, SB calls. Turn: (9 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP1 calls $1 (All-In), SB calls. River: (11.16 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players, 1 all-in)</font> SB checks, Hero checks. Final Pot: 11.16 BB <font color="#009B00">Main Pot: 9.50 BB, between SB, Hero and MP1.</font> > <font color="#FFFFFF">Split: SB (3.16 BB), Hero (3.16 BB), MP1 (3.16 BB).</font> <font color="#009B00">Pot 2: 1.66 BB, between SB and Hero.</font> > <font color="#FFFFFF">Split: SB (0.83 BB), Hero (0.83 BB).</font> Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF"> SB has 2d 2h (straight, six high). Hero has 3d 6d (straight, six high). MP1 has Jc Jh (straight, six high). Outcome: SB wins 4 BB. Hero wins 4 BB. MP1 wins 3.16 BB. </font> With a hand like 63 in a multi-way, raised pot, you are pretty much playing for trips/straight "value". You didn't elaborate on what kind of "bad" your opponents are, but unless you're talking about maniacs then most all opponents are going to slow down on a paired board with a hand that loses to trips...so your implied odds take a hit there. That leaves us with straight value, and you aren't going to hit a 245 flop very often (and even when you are, you could be drawn out on). The value just isn't there for 63o, and even 63s is very marginal (as you can see above--I was never ahead in the hand despite flopping top two; and between being up against a set as I was here or being drawn out on by an overpair, you're going to lose a fair number of two pair pots with this hand, too.).
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