Nut-flush slowplay

tjosan · #1 01-25-2006, 07:52 PM

After reading this topic on the same topic and its responses, I started thinking about this hand I played a few days ago. At the time it seemed like I played it well, but I think it would be good to have it reviewed. The call preflop might have been loose, but what about the rest of the hand? Is this a good situation for a slowplay?

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, Hero calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, 1 fold, Button raises, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls, Hero calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (14 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (7 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG bets, Hero calls, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, Button raises, SB folds, BB folds, UTG calls, Hero calls, MP1 calls.

Turn: (11 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks, MP1 checks, Button bets, UTG calls, Hero raises, MP1 calls, Button 3-bets, UTG calls, Hero caps, MP1 calls, Button calls, UTG calls.

River: (27 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets, MP1 folds, Button raises, UTG calls, Hero 3-bets, Button calls, UTG calls.

Final Pot: 36 BB

Results in white below: 
UTG has 4d 6d (flush, jack high).
Hero has Ad 8d (flush, ace high).
Button has Qd Jh (three of a kind, jacks).
Outcome: Hero wins 36 BB.

milesdyson · #2 01-25-2006, 07:57 PM

pretty different hands. here you have a preflop raiser yet to act and the pot is multiway. i agree with not raising the initial flop bet, but a case could be made for 3-betting button's raise or donking the turn or just doing what you did. really this type of hand is difficult to "analyze" and will not yield too much valuable information.

Torgeir23 · #3 01-25-2006, 08:01 PM

*grunch*

I probably would have 3-bet it on the flop after the button brought it in for a raise. The players that have called both the bet and the raise will probably call a 3-bet as well. If you are lucky the button might cap the betting and you would be getting maixmum value on the flop.

VickreyAuction · #4 01-25-2006, 08:01 PM

When you flop the nuts in a multiway pot, slowplaying is fine.

checkmate36 · #5 01-25-2006, 08:05 PM

*grunch*

We have lots of opponents on the flop. I may have just called on the flop after UTG bets and not drive out the rest of the field. After the button raises I step on the gas with a raise. If another [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] comes on the turn the action could slow down.

tjosan · #6 01-25-2006, 08:07 PM

Wouldnt that risk reigning in the betting on the turn? Since I had one bettor and one raiser and so many callers, I figures if I left it I would almost certainly get the value back on the turn in form of a cap.

Is this a correct analysis of the situation, or is my reasoning flawed (ie, I WONT get the value back since the turn is going to be capped anyway, or it's far from certain that I'm going to get satisfactory action on the turn regardless)?

waynethetrain · #7 01-25-2006, 08:11 PM

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When you flop the nuts in a multiway pot, slowplaying is fine.

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I actually think may be the other way around. Not commenting on this specific hand, but the more multi-way the pot is, the more likely it is that if the board pairs you will blow a huge pot to a full house. I'd rather take that risk against only one or two opponents.

In this case, I probably would have played it the same looking to get my raise in on the turn instead of the flop because the flop raise wasn't going to knock anyone out and I could get more money in on the turn. Given that paired board though, I would be sweating a bit. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

TommyChong · #8 01-25-2006, 08:29 PM

The PF call depends on the table. At a very loose table I'm not against it. I don't mind the check on the flop but I would 3 bet when you have the opportunity since these guys are already in for 2 bets each and you mind as well start pumping them. While highly unlikely a straight flush draw is possible so get your cash in while you are ahead.

I'm not sure I like the turn cap or the river 3 bet. JT is a hand a lot of people play and you could very well be behind by this point, especially after button starts going nuts. I call the turn 3 bet and call down. But I'm probably weak.

Ok, I'm an idiot. You have the 8d so a straight flush draw isn't out there. In that case I have no problem waiting til the turn. But I still feel that you maybe should have been more cautious on the turn and river w/ the paired board.

shant · #9 01-25-2006, 09:09 PM

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When you flop the nuts in a multiway pot, slowplaying is REALLY REALLY AWESOME POKER!!!!

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Dunkman · #10 01-25-2006, 09:23 PM

Yeah I think so, no way I wanna send 2 bets to the field here.