2pr v crazy man

[OziBattler]

In followup to Sucky 88 i have to post this also. Beraducate way.

Villian is a maniac.

Poker Stars
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $0.50/$1
9 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (9 players) Aussie is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
4 folds, <font color="#cc0000">MP3 raises</font>, 3 folds, Aussie calls.

Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4.5SB, 2 players)
Aussie checks, <font color="#cc0000">MP3 bets</font>, Aussie calls.

Turn: 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3.25BB, 2 players)
Aussie checks, <font color="#cc0000">MP3 bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Aussie raises</font>, <font color="#cc0000">MP3 3-bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Aussie caps</font>, MP3 calls.

River: 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (11.25BB, 2 players)
Aussie checks, <font color="#cc0000">MP3 bets</font>, Aussie calls.

Results:
Final pot: 13.25BB

[knockonwood]

Ozi, did you c/call the flop because you feared a bigger pair/straight/set, or were you slowplaying two pair? I don't quite get it.

This seems like flop check raise and turn bet, call down.

[OziBattler]

I was slowplaying the 2 pair. Figured that against a maniac this hand is going to the turn regardless of what I do so I could make my move there on a nice card.

[knockonwood]

I think against even a maniac, that hand needs to be protected more. Villain could easily have an A or K, putting four to a straight. If you are ahead (which most likely are), his aggro tendencies should see him call the flop check raise and call down regardless.

[22pajo]

Grunch:

Initially i thought "why not bet the flop" but i like the play of waiting for the turn to check/raise.

My question is, why not bet the river?

[KingOtter]

I don't really mind waiting on the turn to pop the villain maniac in this hand.

1. It's an incredibly drawy board, and 1 card can beat you here. Especially if a diamond falls on the turn.
2. It's heads up. There's no protecting hands heads-up against maniacs.

The only downside to the flop check is it might get checked through and you might have to bet out on the turn... but it is a maniac so you're pretty sure he'll bet just about anything.

[Ampelmann]

Why not bet the river?

[knockonwood]

Betting the flop and the river are both good options. I would rather bet the turn, call the raise and let him fire into me on the river. This may be a weak line, but I get funny about 3betting the turn with a hand like two pair...

[jrz1972]

I'm going to town on the flop. A flop check-call followed by a turn check-raise is a pretty strong move and will usually slow down even a maniac. Obviously it didn't slow this guy down though.

The main thing is I can't fathom why you check-called the river. If you thought you were behind, then don't cap the turn. If you thought capping the turn was +EV, then lead the river. The turn/river play seem to be inconsistent.

[Smoke em']

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Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4.5SB, 2 players)
Aussie checks, <font color="#cc0000">MP3 bets</font>, Aussie calls.

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I don't see how this can be a good idea. I would like a c/r on this flop. The only realistic hand that we're behind is AK so we have to figure that we have the best of it, but if an A,K or 9 comes on the turn after you let the maniac off the hook on the flop you're going to have to play defense.

Since we have a decent amount of certainty that the maniac will bet the flop, I'm sticking with a c/r. If we weren't sure that he would bet I'd bet out. Slowplaying a good hand when we have a decent chance of being outdrawn seems like poor planning.