Live hand against a maniac (probably and internet player :-). )

[Cool Hand Luke]

Live 20/40 at Bay 101

I have never seen villian before today. He has been in the game maybe 20 minutes and is raising with all kinds of junk preflop.

One weak limper to villain who raises. I three bet KJ on the button. Limper and villain call.

Flop is J84r. Check, bet, call (I figure I’ll let him bluff off his money). Limper folds.

Turn J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (two diamonds on board.) Bet, call

River is an offsuit blank. He bets, I raise, he pauses and three bets. Do I call or raise? Should I have raised the turn?

[jba]

yeah, you definitely should have raised the turn. I'd just call here, just because he splashes around a lot preflop doesn't mean he's going to 3bet with weak hands. if he's bluffing you just want to call anyways.

[danzasmack]

Meh my standard is to just raise this flop and play this hand straight-forward.

Since you didn't, you should raise the turn.

Since you didn't, just call the river. You have a big hand but 3-betting on the river here usually means a bigger one. Don't let someone's preflop play determine their postflop persona in your head.

Thought I'm guessing he 3bet bluff with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

[TheStandman]

I would raise this river.

Why?

He puts you on AA , KK, QQ or a strong hand. With your raise on the river you probably told him you have a jack even though you checked the turn, so you should have raised the flop and bet/raise the turn.

But ... If he has Jack Ten, Jack nine, Jack queen, he would probably 3-bet this river also. Your K is a very strong kicker. He could only win with a full house or a better kicker. So KJ is a split pot, with AJ he wins and with J8, J4 he wins. I would expect such a player to 3-bet with a lot more hands than those hands so I would strongly consider capping here. It also builds your image in his mind that playing against you could be very costy and when he is there for fun he might fold more often against you.

[Haupt_234]

You 100% underrepresented your hand to the river so a cap should be a no-brainer against a maniac.

Haupt_234

[bernie]

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I would raise this river.

Why?

He puts you on AA , KK, QQ or a strong hand.

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Highly doubful the maniac is putting him on any of these 3 hands. He'd likely have played these stronger on both the flop and turn.

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[Yads]

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You 100% underrepresented your hand to the river so a cap should be a no-brainer against a maniac.

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I'm guessing no cap heads up on the river. I call.

[bernie]

Raise the flop and try and get it HU with the maniac. The pot is big enough to start maximizing your chances now. Lots of hands can call getting 11-1 on the flop.

Turn: A raise could fold him if he doesn't have much. If he's known to pay off alot, then I might raise.

River: Raise it. As someone else mentioned, you underrepresented your hand. If he has a J, you could easily have him outkicked. If he has a big hand, sometimes the maniac will have it. But not enough not to cap this. UNLESS he's known to slow down a bit because it's 'you' in the pot with him or he's the type that slows down on the later streets unless he does actually have something.

However, given the description and it being only 20 mins, I wouldn't give him that much credit.

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[bernie]

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You 100% underrepresented your hand to the river so a cap should be a no-brainer against a maniac.

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I'm guessing no cap heads up on the river. I call.

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Even with no cap, I'd at least put in one more raise.

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[private joker]

I don't 4-bet the river -- opening myself up to a 5-bet sucks, since trip jacks will never be good when he 5-bets. That means we're taking a line that involves 4-betting and folding to a 5-bet. Lame. Just call the 3-bet. But I agree with the others that you misplayed the flop and turn.