Interesting (?) QJs From Early

Moozh · #1 09-04-2006, 02:09 AM

I thought this hand had some interesting decisions.

SB is a very loose passive player. Not much of a thinker.
MP is very loose and is willing to be aggressive too.
The rest are probably average 100nl players.

I had just raiesd from MP in the previous hand and taken the blinds. I'm not sure I like my play on any street shown, although I also don't hate it. I think the turn is the most debatable (and thus why I cut things off there). Opinions?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB ($87.15)
Hero ($175.55)
MP ($135.72)
CO ($92.10)
Button ($178.45)
SB ($51.33)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
Hero raises to $4, MP calls $4, CO calls $4, 1 fold, SB (poster) calls $3.50, BB calls $3.

Flop: ($20) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks, MP checks, CO bets $4, SB calls $4, BB calls $4, Hero calls $4, MP folds.

Turn: ($36) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $25...

PietM · #2 09-04-2006, 02:11 AM

I like it so far...

Moozh · #3 09-04-2006, 02:13 AM

Oh good! I can sleep easy now.

PietM · #4 09-04-2006, 02:18 AM

I meant I'd play it the same way. A CB with 5 players is too risky IMO, and with the J on the turn your hand could very well be good.

bhudson · #5 09-04-2006, 02:27 AM

With a very loose player behind, I don't like raising QJs UTG. Mix it up under these conditions, even limp in if the table is fairly bad. Anyway, that's splitting hairs.

Amazingly enough, I fold that flop getting such great odds. Even if I make my hand, it's not guaranteed to be good in such a huge field.

br549007 · #6 09-04-2006, 02:43 AM

This raise should fold out any A or K that could beat you on the river, and the flush draw does not have the correct odds to call. AJ and KJ will kill you and this is in the range of hands to your left.

OOP I think I would check call a small bet to keep the pot small and fold to big raise.

This raise will win you this pot now or lose you a much bigger one.

xwillience · #7 09-04-2006, 02:43 AM

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Amazingly enough, I fold that flop getting such great odds.

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you dont like money?

carnivalhobo · #8 09-04-2006, 02:45 AM

i fold the flop too, outs arent always clean, only card im happy with is a club, and then ill have to call another bet to see the river...

xwillience · #9 09-04-2006, 03:05 AM

your getting 8:1 possibly 9:1. HOW DO YOU FOLD THAT??? you guys are nits.

even if you give yourself on 1.5 outs each for the two back door draws your still ahead of the game.

Moozh · #10 09-04-2006, 11:48 AM

By the 'raise', I take it you mean my turn bet? I can see check/calling here. I don't think you should limit the range behind me to just better hands. The player to my immediate left is very loose. The player after him was on the button with good odds to call preflop.

My turn bet wasn't for value as much as to take the pot down immediately. I thought about checking and calling, but this pot had become very large and I wanted to give myself the best chance of winning it. Thus the bet. I'm still not sure if that's the best reasoning though.

I debated on the flop call for a little bit and called because of my backdoor outs, which I think pushed it from a fold to a call. Again, I'm not claiming that any of this is right.