Future of live 7 card stud ?

[cmurl904]

After reading this month's magazine article on the death of Vegas stud, it got me thinking... what will the future of casino stud games be ?

I'm from the east coast, and have played a lot in AC.
It seems almost impossible to me that stud is dead.
But, other than AC (Taj, Trop, Borgata-higher limits), Foxwoods, and the LA cardrooms, stud is pretty much dead.

Has the decision by most casinos to spread only $1/5 no ante games seriously crippled stud ?

Is there a way to get younger, newer poker players interested in playing stud ?

[SittingBull]

Most young players will NOT play stud . The publicity of tournment no-limit hold'em has made the game extremely popular.
So the new generation of players will play hold'en.
Anyway,most of these young players are looking for action. Hence,they avoid stud,which is not an action game(exception being high ante games where one must struggle for the ante.)
In the Louisiana areas,it's difficult to find a stud game.
BTW,this is the reason why one should learn how to play both hold'em and stud.
SittingBull
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[Bremen]

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Anyway,most of these young players are looking for action. Hence,they avoid stud,which is not an action game

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If I'm not mistaken 1-5 stud with no ante was considered an action game. In order to get action you need action players not action games. Would you really consider 1/2 NL an action game?

[Andy B]

Stud definitely can be an action game. The $20/40 game at Foxwoods comes to mind. And I've certainly sat in some dead NLHE games.

Post more, would ya?

[big e]

I started off playing holdem esp tournys.

But I got fed up with holdem and other players getting lucky, with what felt to me as my cards. I now only play stud and enjoying this game more than I ever enjoyed playing holdem.

I feel this is more a game of skill than luck as in holdem.

Next razz and hi/lo on my list.

[portisfreak]

With HORSE gaining popularity, I (and probably alot of others) have tried switching to a multi-game format. I'm 21 and I've been playing Stud (though mostly 8/b) and I don't feel like this is an "old man's" game.

Yeah, Hold'em is the main game for most people my age, but the swings of NL and the dull grind of limit has slowly turned us towards other games. Tourneys, however, I can't say much about it. I almost consider HE NL tourneys another game altogether, the feel of which doesn't translate to other games, PL, NL or limit.

[toots]

My first reaction to Hold 'Em was "Stud for idiots." After studying Hold 'Em for a couple years, playing Hold 'Em, and generally getting deeper into Hold 'Em than I ever got into stud, I have revised my opinion of Hold 'Em:

Stud for idiots with short attention spans.

Not that I'm good at any game, but I'm better at Hold 'Em than stud, but I won't consider myself a decent player at anything unless/until I improve at Stud, 'cause AFAIC, it's still THE poker game to learn.

[7n7]

Yeah, I had read all the essays written by Mason and David saying how stud was the most difficult game to master (not sure if that includes deep stack NLHE these days) and heard the quote from Chip saying, "If you can master stud, you can master any form of poker."

I was like Bah Humbug!...but bought 7CSFAP players anyway. I've had the book for 3 years and finally decided to read it due to the addition of HORSE on Stars.

To say my respect for the game of Stud and its experts has gone up is an understatement.

I certainly hope it never dies. I agree though that it will always live on in the mixed format.

[AKQJ10]

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I feel this is more a game of skill than luck as in holdem.

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I think you're in for a letdown based on the fact that stud is actually higher-variance.

I'm not a stud expert by any stretch, so someone correct me if I'm wrong.

I too worry about the future of the game. Foxwoods spreads as much 7S as any room anywhere, but it's clear that the smallest stakes have a mean age of at least 30 years more than $1-2 NLHE. The really big games there still tend to be partially or wholly stud, though.

[captain2man]

I find 7CS fascinating simply because it's a different game to play than HE (well - that's not the ONLY reason, of course).

But - I think a game's popularity has to start at the bottom and go up. I can't see 7CS ever catching on like HE - because of the TV factor....HE is perfect for TV - it's quick - hands don't take long to play because of the community card factor & one less betting round. 7CS is just too slow for TV audiences.

In my local B&M....everyone plays a NLHE tourney - and then a cash game starts up....and it's always NLHE cash games...it's unbelievable to me that no one - even long-time poker players - seem to not want to play anything other than HE.

In my home game - I've finally convinced people to start a dealer's choice cash game when players start getting knocked out of the tourney rather than a "loser's game" tourney....and I ALWAYS pick 7CS....I think it's catching on...people just need to actually play the game a little to reveal what makes the game fun to play.