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Old 09-03-2006, 03:57 AM
David Sklansky David Sklansky is offline
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Default 200-400 Hand.

6 handed. Typical high stakes players. Two to the right of the button opens for 400. You are next and make it 600 with KJ of diamonds. Button makes it 800. Blinds fold. Flop Q42 with diamond club spade. Check, check, bet, call. Easy call, easy fold, close call or close fold?
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Old 09-03-2006, 04:09 AM
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Default Re: 200-400 Hand.

Looks like an easy fold to me. Your backdoor draws aren't enough to call with this potential dominated hand with reverse implied odds.
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Old 09-03-2006, 04:15 AM
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Default Re: 200-400 Hand.

easy easy fold. too much in the way of reverse implied odds.
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Old 09-03-2006, 04:29 AM
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Default Re: 200-400 Hand.

i'd call getting 15.5:1 likely to close action on turn
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Old 09-03-2006, 04:52 AM
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Default Re: 200-400 Hand.

I assume the open capping hands from Button are standard. You are closing the action getting 15.5:1 odds + slight implied odds for your backdoor straight and flush draws. I think its a close call but you are clearly getting the odds to peel one here. 3 outs is 15:1 ish, i think your backdoor outs are easliy countable as 3+. Especially given the range of AK, AKs being possible holdings of the button, where a jack may be good.
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Old 09-03-2006, 04:54 AM
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Default Re: 200-400 Hand.

Easy call. There's a lot of money yet to go into this 15SB pot and you're about a 25:1 dog for you diamonds to come in. Throw in a backdoor straight and a percentile for making a pair and you're getting a good price.
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Old 09-03-2006, 05:24 AM
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Easy fold.

How could it not be?

One of the hands I can see either opening or four betting here PF is KQ, and of course AK-AQ.

Is this a trick question?
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Old 09-03-2006, 05:35 AM
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Default Re: 200-400 Hand.

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Easy fold.

How could it not be?

One of the hands I can see either opening or four betting here PF is KQ, and of course AK-AQ.

Is this a trick question?

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He's getting 15.5:1 closing the action. Even if his K and J outs don't count, which obviously they do have some value greater then 0 outs, then the outs of drawing to runner runner diamond or runner runner T-A, or T-9 make it a close call, but correct call.
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Old 09-03-2006, 06:12 AM
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Default Re: 200-400 Hand.

You have to call.
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Old 09-03-2006, 06:46 AM
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Default Re: 200-400 Hand.

It's close. For myself a bit on a positive side to call down because of one overcard.

I made some math a year ago on a similar question here on twoplustwo. Hope it helps:

Flop call with nothing but backdoors math
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