1/2 KJo in the BB.

Seven247 · #1 09-02-2006, 06:37 AM

UTG is 9/4 after about 55 hands, I think he is limping either with a small pair, Ak-Aq.

Co is has a V$ip of 30+. I could see him limping with just about anything.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 3 folds, CO calls, 2 folds, Hero checks.

Flop: (3.50 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG+1 raises, CO calls, Hero 3-bets, UTG+1 folds, CO calls.

What do you guys think about the 3-bet here. I figure a 3-Bet will give me more information about where I am and hopefully get one person to fold, if the not both of them.

Turn: (5.75 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, CO calls.

With the flush hitting I see no other option then to bet at it and hope to get it here. The CO is very wild and could have anything.

River: (7.75 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, CO calls.

Another 8 at this point I just want to scream. A lot of hands beat me. At this point I close my eyes, bet and see what happens.

Final Pot: 9.75 BB

What does everyone think about how I played this, to aggro? Or maybe just spewing into a much better hand.

loyalguard · #2 09-02-2006, 07:39 AM

I like the flop 3-bet. You have top pair with a good kicker on moderately coordinated board, based on your reads there is no reason to slow down yet.

Turn bet is good, checking that would be way too weak.

Obviously a suck river card but a good move. Remember, if check and were planning on calling a bet I think it is better in this case to bet yourself. If you would have folded to a bet (I wouldn't) then just check.. Like you said, he could have anything - don't give him a credit for a flush or and 8.

YesMehFriend · #3 09-02-2006, 11:10 AM

Without a read against an unknown loose player I play it the same.
For the river: Can we fold a better hand with a bet? virtually never.
Will our river bet be called by a worse hand at least 50% of the time? Given the fact that villain is loose ("V$ip of 30+") and did nothing but call up to now, we can assume he is somewhat passive too (he might have raised a made flush hu on the turn). Therefore I think betting the river could be +ev.

Christian_Peters · #4 09-02-2006, 10:18 PM

I think this is an interesting hand, I'm surprised more people haven't commented on it.

Personally, when I flop TP from the blinds and that TP is K,Q, I go for a c/r - and I lead the Turn.
A lot of people will say this is risky because of the possibility of it being checked around, but I still prefer the c/r because it doesn't get checked around all that often, especially on a drawy board. Also, if it's checked around, as long as a scare card doesn't Turn, then everyone seemed weak, and I assume my hand is good.
That being said, your hand is a little better than a typical TP hand from the blind because you have a good kicker. People like playing Kxs just like they play Axs, so I think that you feel pretty good as far as a kicker goes. So, maybe leading the flop is better, and I agree that 3-betting is good too because of the likely-hood that he is raising with a weak K or a draw.

Ok. So, what is the best line on the river. When someone just keeps calling like this on the flop and turn, I get the sense that they are sandbagging more often then they are calling down with a weak made hand. I prefer a c/c to a b/f. I definately think you should muck if your bet gets raised on this river.

I'm not sure if it's because I've been away from online play for a week or what, but I'm pretty confused about this hand and how to handle it. I wrote what I would have done, but I'm not too confident about it. Someone please tell me I'm wrong or I'm right, and why.

MrWookie · #5 09-02-2006, 10:19 PM

This hand is perfectly standard. Not 3betting there would be pretty horrible, as would doing most anything else on the river.

knockonwood · #6 09-02-2006, 10:28 PM

You played this hand well. I like the bet on the river. If you get raised you can safely say loose CO has called down with 8's and you can fold.

Smurph64 · #7 09-03-2006, 02:57 AM

The only thing I have a problem with on this hand is your lack of read on the man who plays 30% of his hands. Surely there has to be some semblance of information as to how he plays 30% of his hands. Not very well would be a very good read after seeing this hand played out.

If good players continually read people with 30% VPIP as 'wild' then that could explain why I win as much as I do.

There is a big difference between a calling station, a gambler and a devil all who play around 30% or greater.

I don't think I would fold on the river if he reraised me here with the pot size the way it is.

rw61485 · #8 09-03-2006, 03:59 AM

Your line seems pretty standard to me. I think I would have played it the same way. It's not too aggro.

Also, considering you are getting 10.75:1 on a river raise folding seems reaallllly bad to me. If Villain has a VP$P of 30% and is passive like he showed himself to be he could have anything really. Do you really think a river raise to your bet has you beat 92% of the time? I think you have to call a raise on the river.

But as I mentioned before, I think your play is fine for this hand.

-RW