Do you push in this spot?

Imrahil · #1 08-31-2006, 04:59 PM

4/180 Final Table 8 players left. Should I push or just try and wait it out for a better hand? I know it's +cEV to push but is it +$EV?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t1600 (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP1 (t15998)
MP2 (t42310)
Hero (t14221)
Button (t90757)
SB (t24160)
BB (t38636)
UTG (t31063)
UTG+1 (t12855)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
4 folds, Hero?

JohnFR · #2 08-31-2006, 05:03 PM

How loose is button/BB?

bananapancakes · #3 08-31-2006, 05:04 PM

i don't think a push is bad nor is a fold bad. let us know what you did and how it went down...

Spee · #4 08-31-2006, 05:05 PM

Maybe 1 in a 100, if players to my left are extremely weak and short. Given that they all have you covered, this is an easy fold.

Imrahil · #5 08-31-2006, 05:12 PM

Did you even look at my chipstack? I have an M of less than 5. I need chips.

Imrahil · #6 08-31-2006, 05:24 PM

Also this is a hand that sort of hurt me. My dad says I shouldn't have played it (he likes watching me play) but I think he's being a results oriented nit. This is during the FT bubble.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t1200 (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

SB (t21760)
Hero (t30271)
UTG (t38185)
MP (t16570)
CO (t9790)
Button (t10096)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG raises to t2400, 3 folds, SB calls t1800, Hero calls t1200.

Flop: (t5775) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG bets t3600, SB folds, Hero calls t3600.

Turn: (t12975) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets t3600, Hero calls t3600.

River: (t20175) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets t4800, Hero folds.

Final Pot: t24975

JohnFR · #7 08-31-2006, 05:28 PM

you should have check raised pushed the flop on the FT bubble hand.

Spee · #8 08-31-2006, 05:32 PM

Of course I looked at your stack. That's not even close to the primary consideration in this situation.

You have one of the poorest hands available (unsuited two gapper). There are three players yet to act. The other two short stacks are going to hit the blinds before you.

But you want to consider pushing knowing full well that you are seriously dominated by anyone who calls. No thanks.

I lay this down almost 100% of the time unless I'm very very certain that players yet to act are so weak that I'm almost surely going to get 3 folds.

Imrahil · #9 08-31-2006, 05:38 PM

But the small stacks have held onto their dear life for the entire top 18. They weren't pushing to steal the blinds and such, so them getting eliminated wasn't my top concern. Thank you for your opinion though. I hate this pushing to steal the blinds stuff. It never seems to work out, or at least I remember the times it doesn't.

SoBeDude · #10 08-31-2006, 09:54 PM

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i don't think a push is bad nor is a fold bad. let us know what you did and how it went down...

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You can't figure this out? he pushed and got called, and lost.

-Scott