Party 1/2 QQ against 3-bet by MP player preflop

ajv · #1 08-30-2006, 05:54 PM

After 55 hands MP2 is 17/4/1.3

Should I 3-bet flop?

Party Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $1/$2
10 players
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Pre-flop: (10 players) Hero is UTG+1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG folds, Hero raises, 2 folds, MP2 3-bets, 5 folds, Hero caps, MP2 calls.

Flop: 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (9.5SB, 2 players)
Hero bets, MP2 raises, Hero calls.

Turn: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6.75BB, 2 players)
Hero bets, MP2 calls.

River: 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (8.75BB, 2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: 10.75BB

kerowo · #2 08-30-2006, 05:58 PM

I think I c/r this flop more than leading into it. It shows more strength and is more likely to fold a big non-pair hand. You hate the turn card but I don't mind a b/f here, MP2 calls which is weird. I'm not sure about checking the river. I figure villain for KK.

DrModern · #3 08-30-2006, 05:58 PM

Yeah, I 3-bet this flop.

I don't understand your river play. Are you afraid he has a 6?

Seven247 · #4 08-30-2006, 06:01 PM

With his stats I would think he is atleast raising with AA, KK, QQ, from early position. I might have just called and wanted to see a flop against him.

On the turn I would say he doesn't have an Ace, because he did not raise you.

DrModern · #5 08-30-2006, 06:06 PM

Villain is middle position. His raising range likely includes AKo, AKs, and AQs, JJ, and TT as well.

Easy cap PF.

Befolder · #6 08-30-2006, 06:24 PM

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After 55 hands MP2 is 17/4/1.3

Should I 3-bet flop?

Party Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $1/$2
10 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (10 players) Hero is UTG+1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG folds, Hero raises, 2 folds, MP2 3-bets, 5 folds, Hero caps, MP2 calls.

Flop: 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (9.5SB, 2 players)
Hero bets, MP2 raises, Hero calls.

Turn: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6.75BB, 2 players)
Hero bets, MP2 calls.

River: 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (8.75BB, 2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: 10.75BB

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PF cap
Flop 3 bet
Slow down on both turn and river as you did.

Dr. Modern: I'd be afraid that villain hit his Ace on turn and that's why I'm not betting the river. I don't feel like bet/folding. I've gone this far. For one more bet, I get the pot perhaps, but definitely a read in a hotly contested hand which could be +EV for the rest of the session.

Villain has behaved as if we're beaten by many hands he'd play like this. Perhaps I'm missing a bet here though.

Befolder · #7 08-30-2006, 06:25 PM

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Villain is middle position. His raising range likely includes AKo, AKs, and AQs, JJ, and TT as well.

Easy cap PF.

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Plus with the range you've put villain on, we're not beaten far more times that we're good. Don't forget QQ and KK.

ajv · #8 08-31-2006, 06:16 AM

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Villain is middle position. His raising range likely includes AKo, AKs, and AQs, JJ, and TT as well.

Easy cap PF.

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I don't agree about AQs. JJ and TT are under suspect as well. Villain had raised only 4% of his hands. That does not support the idea about a wide 3-bet range.

I bet turn because I wanted to know if MP2 has an ace. I concluded he has but I thought I have to call river because the pot was big.

Dastone · #9 08-31-2006, 06:36 AM

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I think I c/r this flop more than leading into it. It shows more strength and is more likely to fold a big non-pair hand.

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Check raise is cool, but how many villains you know that will fold for one more small bet w/ a big non-pair hand?

jrz1972 · #10 08-31-2006, 08:57 AM

3-bet the flop.

Bet the river.