First Ever Post And I Need A Harsh Talking To

[megatron]

Hello guys,

I've been playing poker for about six months now. I got lucky early and, of course, thought I was the man but have recently had my ass kicked. I invested in Poker Tracker and over my first 2500 hands I am down 11BB/100 hands playing full ring 10NL. I know a lot of that is down to bad play, mostly post-flop I think as my starting hand selection doesn't seem to be too awful. I think my brother posted here a few times and suggested I should come here to get help in improving my game. Seems the best way to do this is to start posting and commenting on hands. So here goes. Hit me with it. Thoughts at all stages appreciated.

Full ring game

SB ( $7.85 )
BB ( $17.8 )
UTG ( $8.55 )
UTG+1 ( $13.8 )
UTG+2 ( $8.95 )
MP1 ( $19.75 )
MP2 ( $10.1 )
MP3 ( $6.1 )
CO ( $9.7 )
BUTTON (HERO) ( $25.07 )

** Hole cards **
Dealt to HERO [ A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 10 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ]
UTG calls [$0.1].
UTG+1 calls [$0.1].
UTG+2 calls [$0.1].
MP1 folds.
MP2 calls [$0.1].
MP3 folds.
CO raises [$0.5].
HERO calls [$0.5].
SB folds.
BB folds.
UTG calls [$0.4].
UTG+1 calls [$0.4].
UTG+2 folds.
MP2 folds.
** FLOP ** [ J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ]
UTG checks.
UTG+1 checks.
CO checks.
HERO bets [$2].
UTG calls [$2].
UTG+1 folds.
CO calls [$2].
** TURN ** [ 4 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ]
UTG checks.
CO checks.
HERO checks.
** Dealing River ** [ 2 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ]
UTG checks.
CO checks.
HERO checks.

[Al_Money]

Fold preflop, flop is ugly.

[SABR42]

Bluffing the flop into 3 players is spew.

[Jigsaws]

Preflop can be okay, as long as you realize you are playing for the flush, not for top pair - your ace will generally be outkicked.

Why are you betting this flop? Driving out three 10NL fishies with one bet is going to be a very rare event. Just check behind.

Oh, by the way, could you try using a converter next time? This is rather ugly.

[Dan Bitel]

hi, welcome to 2p2.

If you want to learn, you've come to the right place. I suggest replying to other people's hands as well as posting your own, you'll find you'll get just as much out of it. It sounds like you've got a good attitude, so GL.

In the hand, you prob can just throw it away preflop at full-ring.

I'd not bother trying to steal the pot on teh flop, there are too many players involved.

Given that you did, turn and river are fine.

The "secret" to beating 10NL full ring is just to play very very tight, don't bluff and valuye bet your big hands

[megatron]

[ QUOTE ]
Preflop can be okay, as long as you realize you are playing for the flush, not for top pair - your ace will generally be outkicked.

Why are you betting this flop? Driving out three 10NL fishies with one bet is going to be a very rare event. Just check behind.

Oh, by the way, could you try using a converter next time? This is rather ugly.

[/ QUOTE ]

The fact that driving out three NL fishes is rare with one bet is something I'll need to learn quickly. Sorry about the ugliness, the converter doesn't support the site I use. I'll just need to pretty it up manually.

[megatron]

So would people not think A 10 suited on the button is good enough to call a raise in full ring, given that the raise came after a few limpers?

[bet2win]

calling preflop is fine you are looking for 2 pair or a flush so dont put chips in with just an ace

on the flop you missed so fold

dont ever bluff again

[Coz]

I had a similar problem when I started, don't try and bluff three players, not good. What were you betting with anyway, you didn't have any piece of the flop and no draws even an ace may not bail you out. And an ATs is a very marginal call preflop. My advice to you would be to start reading books, and maybe look again at your pre-flop starting requriments. (HOH) Don't worry either, I know you wanted a harsh talking too but we all started making plays like this, I don't think anyone has the right to scream at you.

[ChipStorm]

Welcome; use a convertor.

Preflop: Full ring, 90% of the time with a raise in front of you, this is an easy fold. You could maaaybe consider reraising; CO could be raising light, with limpers in front of him and good position. But you probably only do that with a read.

Your implied odds to cold call the raise really aren't there: the raise is 5% of CO's stack, no guarantee anyone else will play, your A may well be dominated, and everyone can spot a flush on the board so you don't always get paid. If it were limped to you, you could limp or raise; but vs. CO's raise, just dump it.

Flop: This is a bad spot to try to steal. One opponent raised preflop and the other two called that raise. With a 4-way raised pot and a flush draw on the board, not only is your flop bet much more likely to be called, but it's that much more likely that someone else is playing for a flop checkraise. If the preflop action had been limps to you and you had raised, then maybe you bet out this flop; but not given the actual action.

Checking the rest is fine, definitely give it up after the flop.