Was I a little too frisky? (My knockout blow from the M.E.)

[BraveJayhawk]

WSOP M.E. - Day 4
Blinds at 2000/4000 (500)

4 players limp

I am dealt T9o in the SB and have a stack of 100K

Pot size (24,500)

I shove making it 98K to go...

3rd limper calls with AJo. Ace on the flop.

[Next payscale increase was at ~370, I got knocked out in 417th]


Thoughts?

[D.H.]

I think you were a little too frisky.

I don't see any reason to risk your stack in that spot, but please tell us your thoughts.

[Sykes]

seems fine although I rather be in bb making this play.

did you tell 3rd limper that he's terrible and should die?

[uclabruinz]

Depends on villains' stack sizes and reads on villains.

[kevstreet]

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did you tell 3rd limper that he's terrible...

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[Zetack]

I think this is likely a mildly plus Ev move, based on some reasonable assumptions but without having actually run the math on it.

Having said that, I think its too frisky a move.

Is there anything an all-in bet accomplishes that a 30k bet doesn't accomplish just as well (other than keep you from having to make a hard decision if you get re-raised all in?)

I think a fundamental idea in NL is to make a sized bet that accomplishes your objective, and no more.

--Zetack

[d240t]

What was your read on the 3 limpers? That is very important. Clearly either a) your read was wrong, in that this player would call your push with his marginal hand or b) you failed to consider the possibility that this player would limp behind with many hands he'd call your push with.

What were the other stack sizes? What was your image? What hands had you been raising from the blinds?

[drewjustdrew]

I don't have too much of a problem with it if you would also push in with much stronger hands. That is unlikely though, so I assume AJ felt he had a good chance of facing a coinflip for a premium. I also assume to make that call he had you well covered in stack size by 2-1 or better.

I agree w/ Zetack that if you really want to get "frisky" here, don't do it for your whole stack. Make it 26K to go.

I would have limped with the comfort of knowing I was one hand away from being in position!

[betgo]

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did you tell 3rd limper that he's terrible...

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3rd limper's play is fine.

[BraveJayhawk]

I had only been moved to the table 15 minutes before this hand came up. My instinctive reads were I would not get called by the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th limpers, although the 2nd & 3rd limpers were very deep with chip stacks of ~450K & ~400K respectively. Along with the 4th limper, I felt they were more so anxious to take a cheap flop.

However, I recognized I was taking a risk as I felt a little uncomfortable about the initial limper. Along with being up against a hand of unknown strength (I was sitting in the Seat 9, the BB in Seat 1). With no visual read if he was content with his holding, I was taking a shot in the dark.

I realized, at the time, I could just call 2K and most likely take 100K with me more my position hands. However, I felt confident I could get by 3 of my opponents, and even if I were to get called (most likely by UTG+1 or BB) could find myself in not the worst of shape as long as the calling hand range stretched out to include smaller pairs and more big aces, in which I was not dominated.

After the fact, I decided it was a very aggressive play, but unless UTG+1 limped with a big pair or the BB held a big pair, I was unlikely to be called by a dominating hand.

Against smaller pairs, I would be a small underdog. AK/AQ would make be almost a 2/1 underdog. I feel it is unlikely to have been called by hands like AT/A9/KT, but I can not be sure of it.

Although I still had 25BB and would have the button on the next hand, I was in a spot in which I was more likely to have to go to showdown the longer I wait, instead of winning uncontested pots.

I am okay, as of right now, about making the play. I was still a ways away from the next payscale, and I was more concerned at the time to put myself in a favorable position to make a deep run in the tournament.

I am unsure if this play was +/- EV, but even if it was not does my better chip position for the next round of play compensate as long as I play more favorable spots?

Thanks for your thoughts...