2/4, AJs spews with no showdown

_TKO_ · #1 08-19-2006, 04:20 AM

I feel that this hand is just filled with mistakes. This is probably why my AF is way too high.

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
Hero raises, UTG+1 calls, 4 folds, CO calls, 1 fold, BB 3-bets, Hero caps, UTG+1 calls, CO calls, BB calls.

Flop: (16.50 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 players)
BB bets, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls, CO folds.

Turn: (9.75 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, UTG+1 calls, BB 3-bets, Hero folds

BB is 32/6/1.15.

Marlowe · #2 08-19-2006, 05:28 AM

I call the 3-bet preflop.

On the flop I probably fold. You may only be drawing to the two non-diamond aces. Some kind of read on the BB would be helpful too.

Nick Royale · #3 08-19-2006, 05:54 AM

Fold the flop. Villain 3-bet preflop from BB and has a pfr of 6%, you most likely have 3 outs or less against him. When he leads the flop he has AA-JJ most of the time, TT some of the time and maybe AdKd sometimes. The coordinated board and the risk of a raise behind makes this a fold imo. UTG and CO will kill some of your outs pretty often too.

_TKO_ · #4 08-19-2006, 12:02 PM

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Some kind of read on the BB would be helpful too.

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BB is 32/6/1.15.

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_TKO_ · #5 08-19-2006, 12:08 PM

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Fold the flop.

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If this is the correct play, then this would be yet another example of where the pot size tricked me into doing something incorrect. Getting 17:1 on the flop, I need less than 3 outs to continue, meaning that I could really just play for my A. Then again, reverse implied odds and all that jazz hurt me some as well.

tsrcess · #6 08-19-2006, 12:16 PM

imo, small stakes players do not fold often enough when they should which makes capping pre-flop incorrect here (even though capping pre-flop REPRESENTS a very big hand, typical opposition will call down with very little-so, usually one actually needs a very big hand to make this play). i think folding the flop is correct. it's a different story if there was a spade present on the flop...

JJH3984 · #7 08-19-2006, 01:40 PM

The preflop cap is pretty bad. I fold the flop, but the pot is so bloated... even so, I fold the flop.

Once you get to the turn you are getting 15-1 on an immediate call and 17-2 on your calldown. There is a pretty good chance you are drawing dead or to two or five outs, and you are never winning.

If you think he'd play this way with queens, kings, aces, and jacks, you are drawing dead 1 way, drawing to 5 outs 12 ways and drawing to 2 outs 3 ways. So [0*(1/16)]+[5*(12/16)]+[3*(3/16)]=4.125 outs when you need 3.2. I think you should call the turn and fold the river unimproved.

Haupt_234 · #8 08-19-2006, 02:20 PM

Is the PF cap standard for you with AJs? It shouldn't be...

I would also just dump the flop since you have 2 players to act behind you, there is a FD on the board which taints your outs a bit, and you may not be good even if you hit a jack or ace (reverse implied odds) since the BB is showing so much strength. I would be surprised if he doesn't have QQ-AA here.

Haupt_234