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Old 08-18-2006, 12:19 PM
darom03 darom03 is offline
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Default My queens are killing me: find my mistakes, please! (long)

Today I have had queens ten times and I have lost six of them. I suspect that I am too aggressive with them, but can you guys tell me if thats the case?

Key hands with queens:
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Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP3 ($49.25)
CO ($28.50)
Button ($229.04)
SB ($63)
BB ($53.70)
UTG ($69.70)
UTG+1 ($59.05)
MP1 ($49.50)
Hero ($69.75)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls $0.50, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2</font>, MP3 calls $2, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, UTG+1 folds.

Flop: ($5.25) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $3.5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises to $9</font>, Hero calls $5.50.

Turn: ($23.25) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets $17</font>, Hero calls $17.

River: ($57.25) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, MP3 checks.

Final Pot: $57.25
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Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG+1 ($70.78)
MP1 ($122.77)
MP2 ($78.25)
MP3 ($50.70)
CO ($9.75)
Button ($28.95)
SB ($60.45)
BB ($49.50)
Hero ($46.85)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1.75</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls $1.75, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Button calls $1.75, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls $1.25.

Flop: ($7.25) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises to $10</font>, Button folds, BB folds, Hero calls $5.

Turn: ($27.25) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets $35</font>, Hero calls $35.

River: ($97.25) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero calls $0.10 (All-In), MP1 calls $0.10.

Final Pot: $97.45
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Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button ($77.16)
SB ($30.18)
BB ($49.50)
UTG ($53.45)
UTG+1 ($34.25)
MP1 ($50.34)
MP2 ($31.90)
MP3 ($50)
Hero ($54.25)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP2 calls $0.50, MP3 calls $0.50, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP2 calls $1.50, MP3 calls $1.50.

Flop: ($6.75) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
MP2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets $0.5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $6</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises to $11.5</font>, MP3 folds, Hero calls $46.25 (All-In), MP2 calls $18.40 (All-In).

Final Pot: $89.40
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Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

SB ($71.95)
BB ($45.15)
Hero ($98.90)
UTG+1 ($0)
UTG+2 ($80.97)
MP1 ($93.79)
MP2 ($18.45)
MP3 ($29.25)
CO ($36.29)
Button ($93.75)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1.5</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls $1.50, <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, BB calls $1.

Flop: ($4.75) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $4.55</font>, MP1 calls $4.55, BB folds.

Turn: ($13.85) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $8</font>, MP1 calls $8.

River: ($29.85) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets $70.79</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $100.64
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Actually looking at them hands again, makes me feel like such a donkey. Surely I am too aggressive, but I often see players raise me with crap, and that make me question every raise they make... and it obviously costs me money.
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Old 08-18-2006, 12:32 PM
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Default Re: My queens are killing me: find my mistakes, please! (long)

you dont fold them?
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Old 08-18-2006, 12:37 PM
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Default Re: My queens are killing me: find my mistakes, please! (long)

These are sample hands. I do fold queens, but yes, not as often as I should, granted.
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Old 08-18-2006, 12:41 PM
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Default Re: My queens are killing me: find my mistakes, please! (long)

Are you actually thinking about what you're doing while you play? That could be a start. Put your opponent on a hand before you act. It looks like you've just closed your eyes while your brain is rattling "i've got queens! i've got queens!" over and over.
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Old 08-18-2006, 12:50 PM
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Default Re: My queens are killing me: find my mistakes, please! (long)

Hand 1: Fold flop
Hand 2: Fold turn
Hand 3: Fine
Hand 4: Fine
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Old 08-18-2006, 12:53 PM
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Are you actually thinking about what you're doing while you play? That could be a start. Put your opponent on a hand before you act. It looks like you've just closed your eyes while your brain is rattling "i've got queens! i've got queens!" over and over.

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Hehe, thats exactly what happens. I even put on "we are the Champions" while I celebrate [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]
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Old 08-18-2006, 12:57 PM
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Default Re: My queens are killing me: find my mistakes, please! (long)

Your PF raises are too small. 4XBB + 1X per limper plz k thx.

Much of this can also be variance - if normally overly aggressive/idiot villains are raising you on the flop you can't automagically assume you're beat. You can't automagically assume you're goot neither. So errrr... yeah.
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Old 08-18-2006, 01:01 PM
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Your PF raises are too small. 4XBB + 1X per limper plz k thx.

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I see nothing wrong w my preflop raises. 3,5x BB is fine IMHO.

w. 1 limper, I make it 4xBB
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Old 08-18-2006, 01:19 PM
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Your PF raises are too small. 4XBB + 1X per limper plz k thx.

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I see nothing wrong w my preflop raises. 3,5x BB is fine IMHO.

w. 1 limper, I make it 4xBB

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Seriously, if you don't want advice, don't ask for it. You just turned your request for input into a bad beat whine.
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Old 08-18-2006, 01:24 PM
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4XBB + 1X per limper

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Actually, it's more of a guideline than a rule...

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plz k thx.

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I assume people do this because they know it makes other people want to smack them? Just curious...
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