?? When does the action reopen??

[jon_1van]

I've got a question about NL betting rules.


I'm playing with 50-100 blinds. I raise to 600. A player calls. A 3rd player is sitting with _____ chips goes all-in.

At what point does the last push reopen the action to me? Does it have to be 1100 to reopen the action? Or does an amount that is 1/2 or more of a raise (in this case 600+250 = 850 or more) reopen the action?

[7n7]

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I've got a question about NL betting rules.


I'm playing with 50-100 blinds. I raise to 600. A player calls. A 3rd player is sitting with _____ chips goes all-in.

At what point does the last push reopen the action to me? Does it have to be 1100 to reopen the action? Or does an amount that is 1/2 or more of a raise (in this case 600+250 = 850 or more) reopen the action?

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You might cross post this in one of the HE forums as the B&M guys would likely know what the exact rule is.

[Bowlboy]

I'm not sure exactly what the question is here. I'm assuming that the all-in player has re-raised all-in rather than calling all-in with less than 600 chips. If the all-in player had 1200 chips then that makes his raise 600, so any additional raise would have to be at least 600 more making it 1800 to go. Hope that helps.

[NIX]

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Or does an amount that is 1/2 or more of a raise (in this case 600+250 = 850 or more) reopen the action?

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[Lottery Larry]

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Or does an amount that is 1/2 or more of a raise (in this case 600+250 = 850 or more) reopen the action?

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Nix, I'm ASHAMED of you- you should know better!

In a LIMIT game/tourney, an all-in of 1/2 the full bet amount or more is considered a valid raise that reopens the betting.

In a NO LIMIT tourney, however, a 99.9% all-in raise is NOT a raise that reopens the betting for anyone who has already acted (anyone who hasn't acted yet never lost their chance to raise).

So, OP, it would be a raise to 1100 total, at a MINIMUM, to reopen the betting for no-limit (and usually pot-limit as well, I'm pretty sure). That is in place to prevent min-raising collusion (seesawing a caller in the middle), since raising is unlimited in number for big-bet games.

[Lottery Larry]

Boooooo! Coward! answer the question! BOOOOOOOOO!

[Lottery Larry]

Re-read it, I think you'll interpret it correctly.

Or, see my answer to Nix

[Lottery Larry]

"I'm playing with 50-100 blinds. I raise to 600. A player calls. A 3rd player is sitting with _____ chips goes all-in.

At what point does the last push reopen the action to me? Does it have to be 1100 to reopen the action? Or does an amount that is 1/2 or more of a raise (in this case 600+250 = 850 or more) reopen the action? "

Jon, as I already answered, TYPICALLY a full raise amount is required to reopening the betting. So, T500 more on top of your raise (or T1100 as you stated). 1 chip less, you can only call, as you have already acted once on the raise (by making that raise).

Now, I've heard some places do have a 1/2 bet rule. My understanding is, in those games, that any raise after the 3rd one has to be a pot-sized raise (again, so they don't whipsaw bettors in between, preventing collusion with min-raising).

[NIX]

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I've always thought that [ QUOTE ]
Or does an amount that is 1/2 or more of a raise (in this case 600+250 = 850 or more) reopen the action?

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Nix, I'm ASHAMED of you- you should know better!

In a LIMIT game/tourney, an all-in of 1/2 the full bet amount or more is considered a valid raise that reopens the betting.

In a NO LIMIT tourney, however, a 99.9% all-in raise is NOT a raise that reopens the betting for anyone who has already acted (anyone who hasn't acted yet never lost their chance to raise).

So, OP, it would be a raise to 1100 total, at a MINIMUM, to reopen the betting for no-limit (and usually pot-limit as well, I'm pretty sure). That is in place to prevent min-raising collusion (seesawing a caller in the middle), since raising is unlimited in number for big-bet games.

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Well, limit omaha 8b is our game of choice, so that would explain it. I don't think that explains your little conversation there though. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

[Lottery Larry]

"Well, limit omaha 8b is our game of choice, so that would explain it. I don't think that explains your little conversation there though."

Does that mean you need something clarified?