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Old 08-16-2006, 11:31 AM
Archetype Archetype is offline
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Default Set of 10\'s on a dangerous board - 2/4 NL

2/4 NL 6-Max

Villain has $381, Hero covers

Villain is an unknown

Hero raises to $16 with 10h10c UTG, Villain calls $16 in UTG+1

Flop: Ad/10d/8d (Pot: $38)
Hero bets $38, Villain Raises to $99

Hero???
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Old 08-16-2006, 11:49 AM
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Default Re: Set of 10\'s on a dangerous board - 2/4 NL

i would just push here.
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Old 08-16-2006, 11:52 AM
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Default Re: Set of 10\'s on a dangerous board - 2/4 NL

Push
He could have AK with a King diamond, 888 maybe even A 10, KQ with a king diamond, there are so many other possibilities other than a flopped flush. If he does have a flush you have boat outs.
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Old 08-16-2006, 11:55 AM
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Default Re: Set of 10\'s on a dangerous board - 2/4 NL

i would just push.
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Old 08-16-2006, 11:55 AM
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Default Re: Set of 10\'s on a dangerous board - 2/4 NL

Well, it's $61 on this street for a shot at a possible $465 or so, I'm gonna assume if you hit FH you win. Villain can also have underset or air or KdKx.

If you think he will stack off with flush when you hit turn you have direct odds to call. What's UTG2 calling a UTG raise with - KQd/QJd? Can't have T9/98d or JTd obvs, so that lessens his hand range for SC somewhat.
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Old 08-16-2006, 12:01 PM
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Default Re: Set of 10\'s on a dangerous board - 2/4 NL

Most likely a big draw, but I never flat call here with a set. You have boat outs, shove away...
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Old 08-16-2006, 12:16 PM
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Default Re: Set of 10\'s on a dangerous board - 2/4 NL

Most players push pretty much every time here. I'd be getting ready to rebuy anyway if I was hero.
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Old 08-16-2006, 01:32 PM
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Most likely a big draw, but I never flat call here with a set. You have boat outs, shove away...

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Doesn't that just fold out virtually all worse hands while better hands insta-call?
What's wrong with calling and shoving any non 4-flush turn? Or PSBing when you hit your FH? You can still get your stack into the middle on the turn. Very few worse hands will re-r flop and fold to a turn bet here. Perhaps KhKx, that's about it. Hmmmm.
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Old 08-16-2006, 01:40 PM
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Default Re: Set of 10\'s on a dangerous board - 2/4 NL

just push. on boards like these fastplaying is a good way to get money in because opponents with hands you beat can convince themselves you have a vulnerable hand. the worst case scenario really isnt that bad, not a hard decision since the turn can both ruin your hand and kill your value.
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Old 08-16-2006, 01:51 PM
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Default Re: Set of 10\'s on a dangerous board - 2/4 NL

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Most likely a big draw, but I never flat call here with a set. You have boat outs, shove away...

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Doesn't that just fold out virtually all worse hands while better hands insta-call?
What's wrong with calling and shoving any non 4-flush turn? Or PSBing when you hit your FH? You can still get your stack into the middle on the turn. Very few worse hands will re-r flop and fold to a turn bet here. Perhaps KhKx, that's about it. Hmmmm.

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The point is that even if another suited card comes you may actually have the best hand and be bluffed out, or check down for a smallish pot if he has top two or 88 etc, or fold a big bet when you may have hit a boat anyway. Worse hands do not all fold here at all.
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