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Old 08-15-2006, 06:05 PM
Vincent Vincent is offline
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Default 74s - Why do I call reraises?

<font color="green"> Ok, this probably is easy for you guys, but I think it may be a problem for me. I feel I have good pot odds to call the reraise, but am I in bad position?</font>

NL100 5 players

SB $89
BB $55.35
Hero $162.95

<font color="green"> I don't have too much of a read on BB, but I have the feeling he's a bit loose, passive, bad player. SB and I have been involved in a lot of small pots. He won't let me open complete the SB. He's an aggressive thinking player, but I'm not sure if he's good.</font>

Hero gets 7 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] on Btn.

Folded to Hero, Hero raises to $3.5, SB calls, BB reraises to $9, Hero calls, SB calls.

<font color="green"> I've been pretty loose aggressive, and I attack the blinds pretty liberally. Normally I would fold this to a reraise, but it's $16 pot back to me, and it's $5.5 for me to call. Also I have the Btn, but I'll be squeezed playing right after the BB's flop action. Too loose or okay?</font>

$27 pot
Flop is 7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, BB bets $15, Hero's move?

<font color="green"> Ok, so even though I have the Btn, I'm now squeezed between my opponents. SB's check doesn't really tell me anything, since it's standard. I may have the best hand, but I don't know. What's my move? BB has about $30 behind him.</font>

<font color="green"> More importantly, was my major mistake calling the PFRR? What is SB raised to $9, BB called, then would it be okay for me to call $5.50 with a $21.5 pot? </font>
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Old 08-15-2006, 06:10 PM
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Default Re: 74s - Why do I call reraises?

I think after the sb calls, the bb's raise is either a squeeze or a good hand. Do you think he's capable of a move in this situation with a weak hand?

I think i'd fold.
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Old 08-15-2006, 06:12 PM
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Default Re: 74s - Why do I call reraises?

Forget those preflop pot odds. 74s is a hand that relies on implied odds. Since BB is shortstacked you cannot profitably call this preflop reraise. Two opponents increase your implied odds a bit, but decrease your Folding Equity way more. You want to have the initiative with a hand like this in stead of hoping for a rare monster flop or trying to float a PF 3better.

As played I fold the flop.
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Old 08-15-2006, 06:15 PM
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Default Re: 74s - Why do I call reraises?

Pot odds mean nothing preflop in no-limit (except when calling AI).
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Old 08-15-2006, 06:17 PM
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Default Re: 74s - Why do I call reraises?

fold pre-flop and you wont be in this mess. seriously at these limits i wouldnt bother with these types of plays
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Old 08-15-2006, 06:40 PM
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Default Re: 74s - Why do I call reraises?

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Pot odds mean nothing preflop in no-limit (except when calling AI).

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This is def def not true IMO.
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Old 08-15-2006, 06:46 PM
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Default Re: 74s - Why do I call reraises?

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Pot odds mean nothing preflop in no-limit (except when calling AI).

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This is def def not true IMO.

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Agreed. We're not always taking someone to the felt.
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Old 08-15-2006, 07:32 PM
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Default Re: 74s - Why do I call reraises?

nuts:
No way was I going to reraise this. I have no indication that his doesn't have a real hand. A squeeze reraise would've been too extreme for this player.

white rabbit:
I overlooked this while playing the hand, and I think it's the best advice so far. Makes it seem so much simpler. Thanks.
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Old 08-15-2006, 07:39 PM
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Default Re: 74s - Why do I call reraises?

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Pot odds mean nothing preflop in no-limit (except when calling AI).

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This is def def not true IMO.

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I've got Sklansky backing me up on this one (not to say he's right, but he is pretty often). NLHETAP Concept 56. One exception is when stacks are short, but that wasn't the case in this example.
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Old 08-15-2006, 07:43 PM
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Default Re: 74s - Why do I call reraises?

I'm going to have to get hold of NLHTAP sometime. Almost everything I've ever heard from it is either untrue or misguided in my view.
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