22 and KJ UTG, shorthanded

[CASSHERN]

In his book, PG recommends raising UTG with KJ in shorthanded, but not with 22. In fact he doesn't play 22 at all UTG, even in shorthanded. His book has no advanced theories per say, so it certainly not targeted to HSNL players. So, he recomments SSNL players to raise with KJ UTG ...

In another post, someone even suggested the contrary ... raising with 22 but not with KJ. And most replies seemed to agree with him.

I'd like your opinions ...

Shorthanded UTG, do you raise your small PP ?? ......Why ?
What about hands like KJ ? ........Why ?

IF YOU VOTE, PLEASE ALSO POST A REPLY to explain your action ...

[Dan Bitel]

Raise with 22, and if you don't want to do that, then at least limp it

I muck KJo, but raise KJs

[carnivalhobo]

i always play 22, at a table with a maniac i might limp it, but usually coming in for a raise. KJ is either raise or fold, id say 70/30.

[homeslice]

I raise 22, KJs

50/50 KJo

[CappyAA]

KJo is a fold 99% of the time to me. I raise 22 almost all the time as well as KJs UTG. I will never limp KJs UTG, so if I have tough players to act after me with an affinity for 3-betting, I may just fold. With 22, I will limp if nothing else, but not often.

[testaaja]

I have been raising both but I really hate KJ so I'm gonna start folding KJo. Maybe raise 9Ts instead of KJo.

[Albert Moulton]

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Raise with 22, and if you don't want to do that, then at least limp it

I muck KJo, but raise KJs

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I completely agree with this post. I'd hate to muck 22 if the stacks are 50BB or deeper because of it's potential for flopping a set. KJo is risky since it is so easily dominated and you'll be out of position post flop. KJs isn't much better than KJo, but it has more possibilities for decent semi-bluffs on any flop with 1 or 2 spades that it is certainly better off post-flop much of the time than KJo. Granted, a backdoor flush draw isn't much, but at least it's better than nothing when you make a cb and get called.

[jbird]

I raise 22 50% of the time and limp it the other 50%.

KJo also goes in the muck for me, KJs is a raise unless there is something special about the table.

[CASSHERN]

Why do you raise with 22 if it's to flop a set ? It seems EV-, no ? Why don't you try to see the flop for as cheap as possible ?

Also, what is the advantage of raising oop with KJs ? You just build a big pot, with a medium hand, oop ?

I'm not saying these are wrong ... I'm just trying to understand ...

[danny8]

i raise 22 UTG because its a very easy hand to get away from on the flop. you either flop a huge hand, or you have a very weak hand.

KJ on the other hand is a lot harder to get away from, say you flop TPGK... your probably not gonna win a big pot, put you could lose one if someone has you kicked etc... your rarely gonna flop HUGE with KJ