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[youdidwhat]

Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
8 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $111.40
UTG+1: $100
MP1: $106.75
MP2: $78.75
CO: $92.50
Button: $109
SB: $63
McBusto: $129.85

Pre-flop: (8 players) McBusto is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, CO folds, Button calls, SB calls, McBusto checks.

Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($6, 6 players)
SB checks, McBusto checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, <font color="#cc0000">MP2 bets $3</font>, Button calls, SB folds, McBusto calls, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls.

Turn: 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($18, 4 players)
McBusto checks, MP1 checks, <font color="#cc0000">MP2 bets $9</font>, Button calls, <font color="#cc0000">McBusto raises to $54</font>, 2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises all-in $105</font>, McBusto calls.

River: 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($237, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $237)


Results:
Final pot: $237
<font color="#ffffff">Button showed Th 7c Tc Qc</font>
<font color="#ffffff">McBusto showed Ad 8h 9h Ah</font>


I'm in the BB. No reads but table has been playing passive, somewhat loose. Anybody make a half-pot sized bet on the flop?

Once the button called the half-pot on the turn I thought my hand was good. The raise screamed he's got the goods and I'm drawing. Any comments appreciated.

I'd also like thoughts on villain's play. Frankly, he's got a monster - flush draw, nut straight and the blockers. Good play?

[joewatch]

Button should have played it more aggressively on the flop.

I think your raise on the turn was a bad play. MP2 could very well have had the nut str8.

[Ribbo]

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Button should have played it more aggressively on the flop.

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LOL, God I love reading terrible advice comments like this. Button doesn't HAVE to raise at all on the flop if it will cause other players to overvalue their hand on the turn. IF he was out of position then yeah, I can see that, but the button player can sit back since his opponent will most likely bet into him again on the turn.

[joewatch]

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Button should have played it more aggressively on the flop.

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LOL, God I love reading terrible advice comments like this. Button doesn't HAVE to raise at all on the flop if it will cause other players to overvalue their hand on the turn. IF he was out of position then yeah, I can see that, but the button player can sit back since his opponent will most likely bet into him again on the turn.

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Sure, slow playing might win you a few more bets, but in my experience that is balanced by the pots that you lose when the set or nut flush draw gets there on the turn making slow playing EV neutral or -EV if you can't laydown non-nut flushes. I would rather get it all in HU with a freeroll vs somebody who is tied with the nut str8.

Anyway, if you still think my advice is terrible, I don't really care. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

[RoundersRocks!]

when that many people see a flop, and it comes down 3 broadway cards, it is usually safe to assume that someone has the straight, at least. I would say don't bet and try to keep your boat draw cheap enough to chase.

[heresjohnny]

Turn raise is donkey stuff. You've got a non-nut hand that has some showdown value. You want to get there as cheap as possible. Your raise on the turn only gets called by hands that beat you = bad

[christyirish]

I don't like the turn raise.

Alot of people will just call with the nuts with position. This is especially true if they have no redraws. They don't want to get into a monster pot, with at most half the pot going their way.

Also, as Ribbo said, just calling gives weaker hands a false sense of security, and sometimes this is the only way u get paid with the flopped nut straight. ( In fact this often works better when the nut straight is not broadway. People believe broadway)

Also, some tricky opponents will sometimes just call even if they have redraws, especially if the pot is small on the flop. They wait for the flop better to bet the turn.

A turn pot raise will often allow them to get ALL their money in on a free ride.

[christyirish]

Just noticed that u said the villain had the nuts with blockers and a flush draw.

I would have raised the turn if I was him, maybe not a full pot raise however.

[Ribbo]

I have been known to play it hard and fast sometimes, like this...

The main reason is I'm almost certainly going to improve on the turn card, so if the guy has got the straight (which he did), any scare card stops all the action.

[christyirish]

Thats some hand Ribbo, and a good point. There are a lot of turn cards that will kill your action.

Also, very few people will fold the bare nuts so there is rarely a need to slowplay the nuts with a redraw.

Also, in this case there is only one possible straight so it is highly likely the big blind has the nuts.

Also, the flop raise gets about half your stack in the middle already.

I suppose slowplaying the nuts with redraws might be more appropriate in live games where stacks are often much deeper.