16t - final two hands of a game

ajmargarine · #1 08-10-2006, 03:33 AM

Same villian in both hands. Ugh. Good, bad, ugly? I'm thinking the first hand is a call, even though if he's raising 90% of his hands there, it's supposedly a fold. 2nd hand, I'm going to have to make a stand before the other shortie, so I think I have to do it here, correct?

PokerStars Tournament, Big Blind is t600 with t50 antes (4 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

CO (t2335)
Button (t5580)
SB (t3575)
Hero (t2010)

Preflop: Hero is in BB with 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
CO folds, Button raises to t1800, SB folds, Hero folds

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PokerStars Tournament, Big Blind is t600 with t50 antes (4 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

CO (t6630)
Button (t3225)
Hero (t1360)
BB (t2285)

Preflop: Hero is in SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
CO raises to t1800, Button folds, Hero calls t1010 (All-in)...

AMT · #2 08-10-2006, 03:51 AM

i think your line in both is fine.

jgunnip · #3 08-10-2006, 04:30 AM

first hand is definely a fold. I think the 2nd one becomes close depending on his range. I probably fold though.

cakewalk · #4 08-10-2006, 04:32 AM

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first hand is definely a fold. I think the 2nd one becomes close depending on his range. I probably fold though.

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leaving you with less than 2xBB ? i'll take my odds against 90% of the hands with K9

laser16 · #5 08-10-2006, 04:43 AM

Hand 2 is probably -$ev but unless there is a confrontation it seems doubtful you will find a better spot I dunno this hand is tough.

ajmargarine · #6 08-10-2006, 04:46 AM

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Hand 2 is probably -$ev but unless there is a confrontation it seems doubtful you will find a better spot I dunno this hand is tough.

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Exactly. Which makes me, in hindsight, think that I should maybe call the first one.

tubasteve · #7 08-10-2006, 04:47 AM

SNGPT

laser16 · #8 08-10-2006, 05:03 AM

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Hand 2 is probably -$ev but unless there is a confrontation it seems doubtful you will find a better spot I dunno this hand is tough.

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Exactly. Which makes me, in hindsight, think that I should maybe call the first one.

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Well I guess it comes down to how tight the other shorty is and what range the big stack is really opening. Also even if you look at cEV only then hand 2 is going to net you more chips against his likely ranges on average then hand 1 despite folding your 600 blind.

Green Kool Aid · #9 08-10-2006, 06:21 AM

hand 1---BB is getting too good of a price IMO, and your hand is not very strong.

hand 2---yes

Wolfram · #10 08-10-2006, 08:23 AM

Hand1: My first instinct was to call. But after some thought I think it's a fold. You're getting 2.25:1 on your chips which really isn't enough, and you'd much rather double up of the other short stack than of the big stack.

Hand2: Call and hope for dead money.