KQo in EP makes Top Pair

NewUser2006 · #1 08-08-2006, 04:45 PM

Villain in this hand is 40/10/1.5 after about 150 hands.

My plan here was to just call down the whole way unless an Ace comes and check-raise if I improve... thoughts?

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (9 handed) internettexasholdem.com

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero calls, 2 folds, MP3 raises, 4 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: (5.33 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets, Hero calls.

What do you guys think, checkraise here?

DrModern · #2 08-08-2006, 04:48 PM

Bet out on the florp.

tyler_cracker · #3 08-08-2006, 04:49 PM

raise preflop. lead flop.

NewUser2006 · #4 08-08-2006, 04:53 PM

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raise preflop.

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Miller says limp here. And what's the point of leading the flop if I'm almost gauranteed a c-bet.

tyler_cracker · #5 08-08-2006, 04:56 PM

miller also says not to waste time debating whether to limp or raise KQo preflop.

i prefer to raise because it makes later streets much easier to play.

as played, c/r the flop is great.

your proposed "c/c down unless an A hits" is pretty bad.

DrModern · #6 08-08-2006, 05:03 PM

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as played, c/r the flop is great.

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wtf? why?

Possiblity of him checking behind? Do we know this villain likes to c-bet? Possiblity of getting 3-bet on a CR?

I really prefer donking this one.

Paxosmotic · #7 08-08-2006, 05:05 PM

The preflop decision is inconsequential. Raise or limp, it's the same thing.

Whoever puts the last bet in preflop needs to be allowed to bet first on the flop.

- You raise preflop and MP3 cold calls? Bet flop.
- You raise preflop and MP3 three bets? Check/raise flop and be prepared to slow down to a 3-bet.
- Your limp preflop and MP3 raises? Check/raise flop and be prepared to slow down to a 3-bet.

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Do we know this villain likes to c-bet?

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Please, please, PLEASE stop using this word. I have seen this word used out of context so many times in the past few days that it's getting out of hand. First of all, a C-bet is a no-limit term, but I don't see a problem with it being appropriated for limit play. The problem is that c-bet refers to an action YOU are doing. If you miss the flop entirely but showed preflop aggression with KQ, YOU can c-bet. Your opponent can not because we do not know what he has. If your opponent raises preflop with his black aces then bets out on the flop, is he c-betting? Just because someone raises preflop then bets the flop doesn't mean that they're c-betting. Please stop this.

NewUser2006 · #8 08-08-2006, 05:07 PM

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your proposed "c/c down unless an A hits" is pretty bad.

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Well, here were my thoughts on this.

He is loose preflop but not too liberal with his preflop raises, so against his range I am probably slightly behind or even money. I put him on something like 77+, medium-large suited aces, AK/AQ, and a few randoms too.

I hit the flop pretty well, but he was very aggressive, so I knew I'd get at least a cbet in there. This was where I thought my major decision was. I could either checkraise immediately or call down and hope he bluffs. If I checkraise, I probably get an extra bet from the ace high hands that havn't paired and have a BD draw on the flop, but fold out a lot of the one pair hands that I have crushed. I also probably get 3-bet or raised on the turn against his ace hands that have paired up, since he is pretty aggressive and that would be a tough decision as to what to do.

I decided that there was a better chance that he'd take another stab at it on the turn or river if I just called here, since it would look like I have a smaller pair or a weak jack.

Any criticisms of this thought process? (honest question)

DrModern · #9 08-08-2006, 05:10 PM

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Whoever puts the last bet in preflop needs to be allowed to bet first on the flop.

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This strikes me as empty. Why are you guys against donking here?

Paxosmotic · #10 08-08-2006, 05:17 PM

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Whoever puts the last bet in preflop needs to be allowed to bet first on the flop.

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This strikes me as empty. Why are you guys against donking here?

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I generally donk only turn/river scare cards. It's hard to scare someone on the flop before the hand has taken shape. Also, villain is aggressive and likes his hand, he'll bet for us.