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Old 08-06-2006, 12:08 PM
A_K A_K is offline
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Default Check raise the turn for a free river - spew or good line?

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Preflop: Hero is CO with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
UTG checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, UTG folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.75 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises . . . </font>

I can tell when I'm too tired to play poker because I start playing like a LAG. Nonetheless, I think that this is an interesting line here. Unless Button has a very good hand or is aggressive, I'm likely to get to showdown without putting any more money in the pot. And if another heart falls on the river, my hand is well disguised, and I may get a call that I otherwise might not.

And I realize that I should have raised PF.

Edit: Buck's post reminded me that I left out a very important fact. Button was VERY tight and passive. Over an admittedly small sample size, he was only playing about 9% of his hands, and this was the first time in twenty or thirty hands that I saw him raise.
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Old 08-06-2006, 12:15 PM
kerowo kerowo is offline
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Default Re: Check raise the turn for a free river - spew or good line?

Why do you want villain to put less money into this pot?
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Old 08-06-2006, 12:17 PM
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Default Re: Check raise the turn for a free river - spew or good line?

raise preflop. Bet the flop minus a read; checkraise at the very least.
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Old 08-06-2006, 12:32 PM
Hielko Hielko is offline
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Default Re: Check raise the turn for a free river - spew or good line?

1. Raising for a freeshowdoen down doesn't work when you are OOP

2. Raising for a freedowndown doesn't work when you have to call a 3-bet.

Just my 2-cents, and I'm not saying that a raise here is bad; bad it should be for value if you raise.
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Old 08-06-2006, 01:00 PM
Jonovision Jonovision is offline
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Default Re: Check raise the turn for a free river - spew or good line?

Bet or C/R the flop here, bet turn, bet river if no overs hit
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Old 08-06-2006, 09:47 PM
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Default Re: Check raise the turn for a free river - spew or good line?

A small sample size only leads me to determine if villain is either REALLY loose, or REALLY tight, but even then, I put very little creedence into small samples.

I tend to Cr the flop/lead the turn here. We have the best hand many times.
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Old 08-06-2006, 09:52 PM
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Default Re: Check raise the turn for a free river - spew or good line?

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raise preflop. Bet the flop minus a read; checkraise at the very least.

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Yeah this pot is big enough that you want to win it ASAP. If tight passive button folds thats ok.
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Old 08-06-2006, 10:02 PM
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Default Re: Check raise the turn for a free river - spew or good line?

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raise preflop. Bet the flop minus a read; checkraise at the very least.

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