KK - 100NL, probably simple?

faded · #1 08-05-2006, 04:52 PM

PStars - 100NL, 6 max

villain is utg w/ $125, was like 22/10 over about 150 hands. i cover.

villain calls utg, i make it $4 w/ K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], bb, villain call.

flop $12.50
8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

i bet $8, he makes it $10 more. i call??

turn ~$48
6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

i..?

pretty sure i lead this turn, correct? if so, for how much? anyone check?

kitaristi0 · #2 08-05-2006, 04:54 PM

3-bet the flop.

faded · #3 08-05-2006, 04:55 PM

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what is his hand range here? how much to 3bet?

Reef · #4 08-05-2006, 05:52 PM

This is pokerstars, so I'm considering folding flop here. If I call flop, c/f to any considerable bet. I hate this board.

Set has you killed, tons of 2 pair hands, straight came. Even if you're ahead, they have tons of outs.

El Ninho · #5 08-05-2006, 05:56 PM

Not really a nice board for you, that's for sure. Also he makes a very suspicious, small raise, but I don't like calling. He might be raising with just a draw and a lot of potential turn cards will scare you. I think we can safely assume that his range is set/straight, some kind of draw, flushdraw, open/ended, maybe a pair and a draw or a total bluff. So yes, his range is quite wide. I dont think there is a great chance of him bluffing, especially not because of his almost inviting size of the raise, but it's still a possibility that couldn't be ruled out entirely. Given the draw heavy board I think a 3-bet is the appropriate action.

Autocratic · #6 08-05-2006, 05:57 PM

You can't really call the flop raise without putting yourself to a tough turn decision. I like popping it again here to see where you stand, and probably folding to a push.

El Ninho · #7 08-05-2006, 05:59 PM

LOL, I must say that I really can't argue with Reefs advice either. It's VERY likely that you are beaten, just that I would really hate hate HATE to laydown the overpair here since it's still a high possibility of him doing something funny with a hand that you beat. Tough spot, really.

mprice024 · #8 08-05-2006, 06:18 PM

I like 3-betting the flop and heading into the turn with much more information.

bilbo-san · #9 08-05-2006, 06:34 PM

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You can't really call the flop raise without putting yourself to a tough turn decision. I like popping it again here to see where you stand, and probably folding to a push.

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This is pretty bad, and lets him play perfectly with all his holdings (folding stuff like A9, pushing with some combination of sets and flush draws).

This line wins the least when you are ahead. It loses a lot when you are behind. And worst of all, it leads you to put a lot more money in the pot before you lay down the best hand vs. something like A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].

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I like 3-betting the flop and heading into the turn with much more information.

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AAARGH. So you 3-bet. He calls. What information have you learned? Is he slowplaying 88? calling with 89 that is afraid of the straight? Too stubborn to lay down A9?

"Raising for information" in NL is almost always a horrible idea, because the information is as unreliable as it is expensive.

As to my advice, in my games villains are very donkishly aggro, and I would almost never lay down an overpair on such a drawy flop.

I'd either call and C/r the turn all-in (barring some very scary turns), call and bet the turn, or try to get it all in on the flop, depending on my read (that last option is pretty much reserved for the dudes I KNOW will go broke with one pair.