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Old 08-04-2006, 06:11 PM
AJGibson AJGibson is offline
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Default 2Pair, getting good value? Criticize plz

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PokerStars Tournament, Big Blind is t200 with t25 antes (3 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com
Villian's pretty loose, like to chase draws even when the odds aren't there, see him call down second pair when he had good pot odds.

Button (t6283)
SB (t3352)
Hero (t3865)

Preflop: Hero is in BB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
<font color="gray">Button folds</font>, <font color="red">SB raises to t400</font>, Hero calls t200

Flop: (t975) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
<font color="red">SB bets t200</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to t600</font>, SB calls t400. I'm not really worried about the flush draw here, just trying to draw more money in?

Turn: (t2175) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets t1200</font>, SB calls t1200

River: (t4575) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero ?? How much, If any?

H2
PokerStars Tournament, Big Blind is t200 (5 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com
Seen villian over value top pair, no other solid reads
UTG (t2800)
CO (t1275)
Button (t1005)
SB (t3630)
Hero (t4385)

Preflop: Hero is in BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
<font color="gray">UTG folds</font>, <font color="gray">CO folds</font>, <font color="gray">Button folds</font>, SB calls t100, Hero checks

Flop: (t400) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets t400</font>, SB calls t400

Turn: (t1200) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets t600</font>, SB calls t600

River: (t2400) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets ???

All comments welcome, where can I improve?
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Old 08-04-2006, 06:15 PM
AmazingErvin AmazingErvin is offline
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Default Re: 2Pair, getting good value? Criticize plz

If he's loose I'd raise a little bit more on the flop since he'll probably fold nothing and chase with whatever he's got anyway. I check the river since a lot of bad people are capable of checking a 5 there.
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Old 08-04-2006, 06:17 PM
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Default Re: 2Pair, getting good value? Criticize plz

Bet considerably more on turn too since the board is getting scary(and even more if you bet more on flop since pot will be bigger)
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Old 08-04-2006, 06:32 PM
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Default Re: 2Pair, getting good value? Criticize plz

Did you miss H2, How's my line there?
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Old 08-04-2006, 06:49 PM
AmazingErvin AmazingErvin is offline
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Default Re: 2Pair, getting good value? Criticize plz

Uuuuuh yeah apparently hehe [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

Hand 2 looks good. I'd bet as much as you think can get called on the river. If you put him on an ace you should bet more on the turn and shove the river since you're very likely to get paid off in that case.
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Old 08-04-2006, 07:02 PM
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Default Re: 2Pair, getting good value? Criticize plz

Hand 1 I fold preflop. Raise more on the flop as played.
Hand 2 I raise preflop. I check behind that flop. I would bet 800 on turn. River I either shove or bet 1.5k depending on reads.
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Old 08-04-2006, 07:14 PM
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H1, Why fold PF? I've got good pot odds and position on him can't I call with pretty much ATC. Villian is weak and I think my position on him counts far more than my holding.
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Old 08-04-2006, 08:15 PM
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[ QUOTE ]
H1, Why fold PF? I've got good pot odds and position on him can't I call with pretty much ATC. Villian is weak and I think my position on him counts far more than my holding.

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With that read I don't mind the call, but as a default fold your hand has really bad post flop value, and you aren't deep enough.
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Old 08-04-2006, 08:16 PM
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Default Re: 2Pair, getting good value? Criticize plz

IMO you need to either fold or repop. You're going to see a cbet most of the time and you'll have to fold (obviously not what happened here, but most of the time). If you think he's stealing you can rr but you have no real reason to. Just catch him when you have the cards. You've got plenty of time.
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