A pretty standard preflop question

[Dan Bitel]

PP 6max $200NL
Assume every1 has $200 stacks

Assume a table of reletively unknowns and that CO raisor is neither a maniac nor a nit.

Folded to CO who raises to $8. You're on the button with KQo. Whats your line?

The reason I ask this, is that I see so many different answers to this in the middle of threads, but I've never actually seen a good discussion on it.

So, do you call, raise or fold, and if you mix it up, what are the various %s of the 3 actions?

[Albert Moulton]

Easy fold. Every time.

[Albert Moulton]

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...but I've never actually seen a good discussion on it.


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Oh. You wanted to discuss.

Ok, I have a 20% V$PIP even at 6 max (17% FR) which is pretty tight.

I'll raise KQo if folded to me on the button, but I don't play DB's trouble hands as a caller in a raised pot. I'm multitabling and there are better spots to get involved in a raised pot with than KQo.

[tubasteve]

Raise like 20%, call like 50%, fold 30%.

This is because I like position, plus KQ isn't dominated much if the guy isn't a nit. I raise 20% because average non-maniac non-nits still like to fold preflop facing heat.

If I don't feel confident I can outplay opponent on the flop, I'll just fold.

[kitaristi0]

My default has always been to fold. Then last week I saw muddywater call 2 raises OTB with KQo and I got to thinking whether I should too.

I think the reason you get so many different answers is because whether to call or fold or raise depends so much on your postflop skills and edge vs. CO.

[Albert Moulton]

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...but I've never actually seen a good discussion on it.


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Oh. You wanted to discuss.

Ok, I have a 20% V$PIP even at 6 max (17% FR) which is pretty tight.

I'll raise KQo if folded to me on the button, but I don't play DB's trouble hands as a caller in a raised pot. I'm multitabling and there are better spots to get involved in a raised pot with than KQo.

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Oh, and one more thing, if you are super duper post flop and totally confident playing TPWK perfectly for an extra few BB/100 hands profit, than by all means call. I prefer to avoid these because I don't play them perfectly post flop, and a don't need to because there are so many hands when multitabling and the blinds are so low relative to the stacks at the table. So I wait for better spots to call or raise when someone has already opened the pot for a raise in front of me.

[4_2_it]

Nice question.

If I think I am ahead of or not dominated by his range I'm calling (80%) or raising (20% - depends on blinds). I am assuming villain has TAGish traits, but hasn't been positively IDed as a TAG player in my assessment.

If I cannot figure out his range which is more likely, I will fold (90%) or call (10%).

[cbloom]

He's neither a maniac nor a nit, and I assume also not a loose-passive-caller? eg. he's a decent player?

Usually fold. But I'll adjust based on a few things. If he's a 2p2 type that's "SLAG" (slightly LAG), with a PFR of like 20%, I'll call sometimes, mainly planning on floating because he's weak so often and I have position.

If he can make a fold and I haven't reraised in a while I'll reraise sometimes, but that has nothing to do with the cards I hold.

edit : I should also add it matter who's in the blinds. If the blinds are super loose+bad I'll almost always call.

[wslee00]

against a regular 200NL opponent, I sometimes call sometimes fold. I'm usually never re-raising this unless I feel villain is raising light.

[TDouble]

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Assume a table of reletively unknowns and that CO raisor is neither a maniac nor a nit.

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Until I get some sort of information, this is usually why I muck it quite a bit. Suited obv I call.