KK facing flop decision

Isura · #1 08-04-2006, 12:22 AM

No reads, 2nd orbit or so. FWIW his allin was almost instant. Do I need to start worrying more about AA in these spots? I figure that my hand is fairly defined and yet he is happy to get his money in. Thoughts?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

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MP ($185.20)
CO ($15.50)
Button ($186.98)
SB ($94)
Hero ($200)
UTG ($246.59)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $1.
1 fold, MP raises to $4, 3 folds, Hero raises to $20, MP calls $18.

Flop: ($45) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $30, MP bets $163.20 (all-in)

tufat23 · #2 08-04-2006, 12:33 AM

I'm disregarding QQ here since one needs time to think about top set in this spot.
I would also disregard any sets because I still cant see an instant AI for the same reasons as disregarding QQ unless he's got some serious 6th level thinking going.

Likely hands are TT-JJ, AA and AQ.

Whats ure datamining stats say? If he's a poor player (which i suspect since he minraised)I do think AA is out there but I'd probably still call thinking I'm around 60-40 to his range and every hand is WA/WB

Isura · #3 08-04-2006, 12:36 AM

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Whats ure datamining stats say?

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I don't datamine these games.. and PA is not working anymore with the small tables [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

Al_Money · #4 08-04-2006, 12:40 AM

With no reads at all, I fold this. We are behind more than we are ahead here.

KingKory · #5 08-04-2006, 12:43 AM

Unless he puts you on exactly KK, why would he make such a big move with AA/QQ/55/22? The board is drawless.

I guess you'd have to know if he thinks like this or not.

You have 25% of your chips in at the moment.

I would...call begrudgingly.

tufat23 · #6 08-04-2006, 12:44 AM

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I don't datamine these games.. and PA is not working anymore with the small tables [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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ugly. i like to fire up 12 tables about 30mins before i play, open up Free PHG and then sit at the best 7 tables I have up. saves a lot of hassle first couple of orbits

otis_nixon · #7 08-04-2006, 12:45 AM

I'd probably throw this away here and not be too happy about it- like you said, you told him what you have and he doesn't really seem to care.

I think AA and QQ are way more likely than AQ.

But on the other hand, I've seen some really retarded insta-all-ins in my time. Without a read that he likes to splash it around I think I pitch this.

That pf reraise is extra big, is that bc you're OOP?

Isura · #8 08-04-2006, 12:46 AM

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That pf reraise is extra big, is that bc you're OOP?

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I ignore minraises and just pretend that he opened for 7-8.

otis_nixon · #9 08-04-2006, 12:47 AM

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Unless he puts you on exactly KK, why would he make such a big move with AA/QQ/55/22? The board is drawless.

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I think this is giving the guy too much credit. He made some kinda goofball minraise preflop and called a huge reraise. At 200 NL that's usually the mark of a guy that doesn't study much poker.

I don't think he's putting you on anything, he's either saying "OMG AWESOME HAND INSTA SHOVE" or he's saying "SWEET TIME 2 BLUF U"

bhudson · #10 08-04-2006, 03:40 AM

This is about 50/50 and with all that dead money you just have to call. I can easily see AQ here.