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Old 08-02-2006, 07:32 PM
DanielJ74 DanielJ74 is offline
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Default Pocket eights multiway agains btn raiser

Button is a tight player (sees flop 13% and raises about half of the hands he plays).
Is it correct to call him down? Do I fold the flop? turn? river?

StansPoker (prima) 1/2 Hold'em (10 handed) Hand History
Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
3 folds, Hero Calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, Cutoff folds, button raises, SB folds, BB folds, Hero calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls

Flop: 6 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)
Hero checks, MP2 checks, MP3 checks, Button bets, Hero raises, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, Button calls

Turn: Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero Bets, Button raises, Hero calls


River: 7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero calls

Final pot: 12.75BB
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Old 08-02-2006, 07:36 PM
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Default Re: Pocket eights multiway agains btn raiser

Flop good, fold turn. With those raise numbers, at best you're hoping that he bluff-raised with AK. The vast majority of the time you're drawing to two or less outs.
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Old 08-02-2006, 07:39 PM
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Default Re: Pocket eights multiway agains btn raiser

I can dig the flop play, but you're beat on the turn here practically always.

After you check and he bets the river you're beat even more often.
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Old 08-02-2006, 07:39 PM
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Default Re: Pocket eights multiway agains btn raiser

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Flop good, fold turn.

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Old 08-02-2006, 08:05 PM
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Default Re: Pocket eights multiway agains btn raiser

I would prefer to raise 88 when opening from MP. Many others do not. As played, you did a good job of protecting your hand on the flop.

When the Q comes on the turn, you are behind to about 80% of his pf raising range (TT+, AJ+, KQ), you are ahead of only AK. I agree with the other posters. Fold this turn.
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Old 08-02-2006, 08:07 PM
Bodizapha Bodizapha is offline
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Default Re: Pocket eights multiway agains btn raiser

Preflop call is okay, but I'm not a fan of the b/c on the flop. Button is representing strength, probably a high PP, so we have to figure we are beat here. Seeing the flop was a decent move because the pot was big, but I might have considered folding after button's raise also.
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Old 08-02-2006, 08:10 PM
Eeegah Eeegah is offline
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Default Re: Pocket eights multiway agains btn raiser

Preflop is a must raise if you flip a coin and it comes up heads. If it came up tails then a limp is fine.

[censored], I agree with the consensus of the thread anyway so I don't know why I'm posting [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

Edit: Oh yeah, now I remember why. I'm a bit leery of the flop checkraise here. Button could have taken a free card if he needed it, and with five players in that would have been a damned good idea. That he bet out anyway suggests that he has at least a pair of Jerks...I'm starting to think we're behind more than we're ahead here unless he seriously autobets any flop after raising.
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Old 08-02-2006, 08:34 PM
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Default Re: Pocket eights multiway agains btn raiser

grunch-

preflop is okay - you're getting the right odds to call since 2 called behind you. but if they folded, you're HU against tighty OOP. that's concerning.

Button seems pretty TA I think s/he would have raised with AK-JJ. i don't see why you would check the flop and then raise against a TA. i'd bet the flop, if button raises, i'd let it go.
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Old 08-02-2006, 09:07 PM
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Default Re: Pocket eights multiway agains btn raiser

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Flop good, fold turn.

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So are we betting the turn and river if two blanks come up? What about a ten?
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Old 08-02-2006, 09:12 PM
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Default Re: Pocket eights multiway agains btn raiser

What does the check-raise accomplish here?
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