25-50 AQ i REALLY hate full ring..

raptor517 · #1 07-31-2006, 08:58 AM

ok so.. this table has been pretty limpy real passive preflop, not a great post flop read in general, but everyone seems kinda meh, nothin much in terms of creative plays going on..

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB ($7910)
UTG ($7799)
UTG+1 ($5000)
Hero ($7172)
MP1 ($4975)
MP2 ($3299)
MP3 ($8900)
CO ($5050)
Button ($11800.50)
SB ($3264)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $25.
2 folds, Hero raises to $166,
MP1 calls $166,
MP2 calls $166,
MP3 calls $166,
1 fold,
Button calls $166,
SB (poster) calls $141,
1 fold.

Flop: ($1046) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB checks,
Hero bets $666,
MP1 folds,
MP2 calls $666,
MP3 calls $666,
Button calls $11634.50 (All-In),
SB folds,
Hero folds.

this is just irritating to me. a 17 way flop tptk Qc mehhhhh. i cant really imagine check folding here.. but it just seems like there is a negative 10% chance that i can ever bet and get everyone to fold, and im oop from almost any call i get, making this hand very tricky to play. is it best to check here? assume i bet and button folds instead of shoving. what is my play when a 3c peels turn. a 3s? this full ring stuff is goofy. holla

edit: i think button is also somewhat decent, and theres a good chance hes shoving JT, flush draws, sets, etc. so.. duno of that changes anything, it doesnt for me. holla

thedustbustr · #2 07-31-2006, 10:02 AM

fold preflop, ESP at this table, the reasoning is obvious, look at your results. i'd checkraise the flop, and check/fold the turn if you miss your flop checkraise. flop cr means the limpers will need to call two cold which is a lot harder to do than call 1.

raptor517 · #3 07-31-2006, 10:04 AM

fold preflop? man.. i have hte highest card and the third highest card, TOGETHER. how can u fold that?? i duno folding pf i guess couldnt be too terrible, but theres no way raising is a -ev play. mehh, folding is just too nitty it seems.. what do i know tho. holla

thedustbustr · #4 07-31-2006, 10:06 AM

raising when you expect to get 4 callers, get them, flopping tptk, and betting, getting 4 more callers - that is -EV to the tune of -$800

raptor517 · #5 07-31-2006, 10:08 AM

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raising when you expect to get 4 callers, get them, flopping tptk, and betting, getting 4 more callers - that is -EV to the tune of -$800

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since thats clearly what i expect. i guess i should fold AA then since thats pretty much exactly how i would play it. holla

BIgMc · #6 07-31-2006, 10:17 AM

Bet more on flop. Make them pay for whatever the hell they're calling with.

c/f 3c on turn
Pot/push 3s on turn

raptor517 · #7 07-31-2006, 10:22 AM

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Bet more on flop. Make them pay for whatever the hell they're calling with.

c/f 3c on turn
Pot/push 3s on turn

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you dont think with all them callers any of em ahve a set? thats really what im worried about here.. holla

BIgMc · #8 07-31-2006, 10:32 AM

MP2: Doubt it, but maybe
MP3: No
BUT: ?

If MP2 is any kind of player, he knows there is nothing good about calling with a set here. Loose table = lots of callers/drawers.

thedustbustr · #9 07-31-2006, 10:32 AM

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raising when you expect to get 4 callers, get them, flopping tptk, and betting, getting 4 more callers - that is -EV to the tune of -$800

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since thats clearly what i expect. i guess i should fold AA then since thats pretty much exactly how i would play it. holla

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from your other thread...
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ok so im newish to the table, and it has been pretty passive preflop so far, lots of limping, stuff like utg raise gets 17 callers

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AA and AQ are completely different, and you know it.

BIgMc · #10 07-31-2006, 10:37 AM

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you dont think with all them callers any of em ahve a set? thats really what im worried about here.. holla

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Hold on, are you talking about on the flop?