Clear Fold?

Max Buyin · #1 07-30-2006, 07:47 AM

Fairly new to the table. Villan seems a little agressive but no reads other than that.

Ultimate Bet No-Limit Hold'em, $.25 BB (10 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG ($37.95)
UTG+1 ($15.55)
UTG+2 ($33.15)
Hero ($26.60)
MP2 ($50)
MP3 ($24.90)
CO ($5.80)
Button ($4.40)
SB ($4.50)
BB (Villan) ($21.85)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
3 folds, Hero calls $0.25, 1 fold, MP3 calls $0.25, 3 folds, BB :#A500AF(Villan)/ checks.

Flop: ($0.85) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Villan bets $0.25, Hero raises to $0.75, MP3 folds, Villan calls $0.50.

Turn: ($2.35) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Villan checks, Hero bets $1.25, Villan calls $1.25.

River: ($4.85) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Villan bets $4.85, Hero???

testaaja · #2 07-30-2006, 07:51 AM

That turn bet is ugly. Pot it or check it. I'm not folding.

notevenhere · #3 07-30-2006, 07:55 AM

I'm folding here every time. What do we beat other than a bluff?

Max Buyin · #4 07-30-2006, 08:14 AM

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I'm folding here every time. What do we beat other than a bluff?

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We beat anything but a flush and the unlikely J8, its alot of hands to consider, 2 pair, any pocket pair, and any worse straight.

FoldEqu1ty · #5 07-30-2006, 08:29 AM

Yes, these situations are easy fold's IMO. If you're ahead of his range, it will not be by much. There is no reason to take a coinflip when all it will do is increase your variance. Fold.

terp · #6 07-30-2006, 08:41 AM

raise preflop, you can do several things on the flop but that bitchraise was probably the worst option, same on turn, river is opponent specific but he's probably not bluffing.

river decision is the LEAST important part of this hand for discussion.

The White Rabbit · #7 07-30-2006, 08:45 AM

Raise preflop to $1.

Sup with the weak-ass flop raise? Make a pot-sized raise to 1.25. Somehow people like to raise 3x the other guys bet...???

As played I pot the turn and flip a coin whether I call or fold river.

Max Buyin · #8 07-30-2006, 08:57 AM

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Raise preflop to $1.

Sup with the weak-ass flop raise? Make a pot-sized raise to 1.25. Somehow people like to raise 3x the other guys bet...???

As played I pot the turn and flip a coin whether I call or fold river.

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Am I wrong in assuming that I was in too early of a position to make a raise pf? As for the bitch raise, yeah...I really should have potted it on the flop, it wasn't much of a meaningful checkraise. But I dunno, betting half the pot on the turn didn't seem like such a bad idea..if I potted, then I thought I was offering good implied odds to a flush draw. If I did pot the turn, I would be more obligated to call on that river. Making the pot that big didn't seem like a good idea. Thoughts?

The White Rabbit · #9 07-30-2006, 09:31 AM

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Am I wrong in assuming that I was in too early of a position to make a raise pf?

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Yes, when first in you should always raise. Position should determine what hands you play, not what you do with them.

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if I potted, then I thought I was offering good implied odds to a flush draw. If I did pot the turn, I would be more obligated to call on that river. Making the pot that big didn't seem like a good idea. Thoughts?

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When you pot the turn you actually cut down his odds.
When you 1/2-pot he gets 3-1, when you pot it's 2-1. Implied odds should be viewed in relation to the currenct bet, not in absolute $'s, so nothing changes about the implied odds (you actually cut them down too, because you have less money left).

Max Buyin · #10 07-30-2006, 09:48 AM

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When you pot the turn you actually cut down his odds.
When you 1/2-pot he gets 3-1, when you pot it's 2-1. Implied odds should be viewed in relation to the currenct bet, not in absolute $'s, so nothing changes about the implied odds (you actually cut them down too, because you have less money left).

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Yes but I was trying to say that 1-3 still should be sufficient enough to deny the odds to the flush. How is making it 1-2 that much better? FE? And if I do commit more money to the pot, then it will be harder to get away from the hand to a turn raise. Isn't that exactly what I'm trying to avoid here?