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Old 07-30-2006, 04:39 AM
FeltBelt FeltBelt is offline
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Default JJ hand against a major league LAG, large pot

Villian's stats are 56/27/3.7. He loooooves scare boards, and he is a habitual slowplayer and check-raiser, which is why I thought for a bit and called his flop bet. My image is ultra-tight at this point.

The plan as I called was to take the pot away on the river if he showed weakness or I got a nice scare card. Both happened, and thus the river bet.

Note that there was no thought of pushing on the turn. I was quite happy to simply call that bet. I had some reasons for it, but I'll elaborate on them later if this hand generates any interest. I think it's a complicated and interesting hand, personally.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero ($222.30)
CO ($214.70)
Button ($114.35)
SB ($520.31)
BB ($224.02)
UTG ($152)

Preflop: Hero is MP with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $1.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $8</font>, CO calls $8, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB (poster) calls $7, BB calls $6.

Flop: ($32) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $45</font>, BB folds, Hero calls $45, CO folds.

Turn: ($122) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $30</font>, Hero calls $30.

River: ($182) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333"> Hero pushes $173 ... </font>
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Old 07-30-2006, 04:41 AM
Morrek Morrek is offline
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Default Re: JJ hand against a major league LAG, large pot

If he folds you were probably ahead all the way
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Old 07-30-2006, 04:43 AM
GLmaestro GLmaestro is offline
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Default Re: JJ hand against a major league LAG, large pot

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If he folds you were probably ahead all the way

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Correct. He will never fold a K, never fold a 9. He will fold hands like AT and others, and maybe he folds QQ (which is an unlikely holding)
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Old 07-30-2006, 04:44 AM
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Default Re: JJ hand against a major league LAG, large pot

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If he folds you were probably ahead all the way

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He was not a station. He applied a lot of pressure but he found folds. I believe he is capable of a big-ish fold, or I never would have made this play.

He made his river decision after using almost all of his time, fwiw.
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Old 07-30-2006, 04:47 AM
Evil_Andy Evil_Andy is offline
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Default Re: JJ hand against a major league LAG, large pot

There is no reason to make a big bluff if your hand has a reasonable chance of winning a showdown. Also i believe you can find a better spot to make a stand than 2nd pair !
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Old 07-30-2006, 04:50 AM
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Default Re: JJ hand against a major league LAG, large pot

That river bet is tough, only the better hand will call you. If he had pair of Kings he would make an easy call. In this case, I would've pushed or raise the turn, as he makes a small weak bet on the turn. You are likely up against AT or the nut spade draw.
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Old 07-30-2006, 04:51 AM
ArturiusX ArturiusX is offline
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Default Re: JJ hand against a major league LAG, large pot

If I was in his spot, I'd be check-call with a ton more hand then I'd be betting.
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Old 07-30-2006, 04:53 AM
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Default Re: JJ hand against a major league LAG, large pot

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That river bet is tough, only the better hand will call you. If he had pair of Kings he would make an easy call. In this case, I would've pushed or raise the turn, as he makes a small weak bet on the turn. You are likely up against AT or the nut spade draw.

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I was 99% sure he had a king here.
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Old 07-30-2006, 04:54 AM
CrazyIvan24 CrazyIvan24 is offline
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Default Re: JJ hand against a major league LAG, large pot

hmmm, if he has a K why he bet so small on turn? Can he really put you on a 9 when you raised preflop?
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Old 07-30-2006, 04:54 AM
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Default Re: JJ hand against a major league LAG, large pot

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I was 99% sure he had a king here.

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then why did you call the flop/turn? this makes no sense
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