AQs I am not sure about

[tpir]

Good 5/10 6-max game. No one in this hand seems to be anything special. Just kind of loose and maybe a little passive. UTG and MP limp and I raise A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] on the button. BB and limpers call.

Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
Checked to me and I bet(?), BB and UTG call, MP raises. We all call.

Turn: Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
checked to MP who bets, I raise(??), BB and UTG fold, MP 3-bets, I fold(???)

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tpir

[BostonMetro]

Because the pot is so bloated, I don't think calling down is that bad. However, with a passive player, the flop check-raise often means a hand stronger than top pair. This could include 34, 33, 44, TT. Because he didn't raise preflop, you can unweight pocket tens a little bit. You can probably unweight 34 too because he would probably only play the suited starters. I think the old maxim can hold true here - don't raise in position if you can't fold to a check-raise. You are drawing dead against probably three quarters of his holdings and to eight outs against the one quarter. So you are on an effective two-outer. I don't think you have the right price to call two bets to get to showdown to hit your two outer.

FWIW, I don't think you can not raise the turn card here. While he will have AT beat a lot with the c/r, he will also have every split pair of tens in the deck some percentage of the time too. And I think the flop bet is standard with only one card in the playing zone and the baby connecting cards.

I really like how you played it. nh.

Combo numbers:

33 = 4 (dead)
44 = 4 (dead)
TT = 4 (probably 2 unweighted) (dead)
34s = 4 (you are drawing to eight outs)
QT = 6 (you are drawing to three outs)
T4s, T3s are pretty tough to imagine...

[sharpie]

I'm calling down without a good read. I can see him playing Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]x[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] like this. There's a slim chance he's pushing a monster draw like K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] or A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], we don't have much of a read. I think you have somewhere around 2 effective outs when behind and in this huge pot they're worth somewhere around 2/3 of a big bet. When you think of it like that your effective odds to calldown are looking pretty good.

I dig the rest.

[BostonMetro]

He's getting like 7-1 on a calldown across both streets. I don't think he's right to play a two-outer like this. We both sort of suggested he's way behind and still calling down isn't atrocious because the pot is so big. But I think that folding in this spot should be the read-free default. Datamine the game for a half hour (50 hands) before you sit down and you can call the two bets because you'll have the best of it enough of the time against this player (maybe).

[Buffalo Davis]

It always seems like you're boned (which you are), but I call the turn to improve and then call the river because he's unknown and I have a good hand.

[ILOVEPOKER929]

I would fold the flop. Yes thats right, I said it. Getting 13-1, I would fold the flop.

[BostonMetro]

I assume this is only because you aren't closing the action? You are getting 15.5-1 or something if they all make the call. You are getting around 25-1 implied. That's enough solely for the BDFD and BDSD, plus our overs have to be good at least sometime.

Or are you suggesting he will c/r here with one pair extremely infrequently, meaning we are always drawing to runner-runner. I think he'll also c/r here with 56, A2, diamond draws, etc., justifying the call.

[ILOVEPOKER929]

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I assume this is only because you aren't closing the action? You are getting 15.5-1 or something if they all make the call. You are getting around 25-1 implied. That's enough solely for the BDFD and BDSD, plus our overs have to be good at least sometime.

Or are you suggesting he will c/r here with one pair extremely infrequently, meaning we are always drawing to runner-runner. I think he'll also c/r here with 56, A2, diamond draws, etc., justifying the call.

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I think most of the time when someone checkraises here, they will have a monster, meaning we are drawing dead, and other times they will have a FD which means were drawing to a 4 outer that may not be the best hand when we hit, and we'll get rivered alot when we do hit. Thats why I would fold here with no reads even given these nice pot odds.