King-Queen Rules...

[Yakuman]

"King-Queen rules in the land of the unraised pot."

There a British TV poker commentator named Jmaes Browning who has made this a catchphrase. Is there any validity to it?

He's talking about NL, probably toourney play.

(And I just called a raise on the button with KQs as I wrote this.)

[TheDoubleTop]

What happens if you get someone slow playing Aces, Kings, Queens?

[labrat]

I would ay KQo sucks in an unraised pot in NL.
It doesnt play well multi-way obv, and a limped pot will be multi way.

It may do well hot and cold vs other limpers ranges, but it seems like a case of win a small pot or lose a bigger one.

On the plus side, who limps AK and AQ? your unlikely to be dominated and you can often win the pot with tp.

EDIT: actually in tourneys with short stacks you might well want to get it all in with tp so the bg pot small pot thing I was talking about often wont be true in a tourney.
KQo sucks limped in ring with 100BBs tho imo.

[Siegmund]

In limit there's some truth to this with KQs in late position.

In NL, and unsuited, I am more than a little skeptical.

[MrHenry]

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On the plus side, who limps AK and AQ? your unlikely to be dominated and you can often win the pot with tp

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That is precisely Mr Browning's rationale for this unorthodox play. If he hits a K or Q post flop he can be pretty sure he is ahead.

I'm not convinced myself and neither are most of his co-presenters

[slcseas]

For full ring cash play, KQ is so tricky. I try to avoid it completely in EP, will open with it at tight table in MP, and will often call one off or re-pop from the button depending on my read of the player(s) already in the pot. It increases monumentally shorthanded IMO however. If you frequent 6 max games, i recommend playing it like AK.

In tourneys you can be more liberal with it because the escalating blinds and antes are going to force more marginal plays. I still wouldn't recommend playing it out of position, but you can really be aggressive with it in late position. If suited, it's a great semi bluff hand with a 2 flush and 3 low on the board.

[alanbrown]

If someone is slow playing queens with many people to act then they'll have their own problems to worry about. Same with KK. AA may do it sometimes but it's still a dodgy play.

I limped in UTG1 with AA recently. Got 5 callers. 100/200 blinds. I had 7K. button had 7k (one of the limpers). Flop comes 3s, 6s, 7c. What do I do now? How much do I bet? This is a classic case of either vastly overbetting the pot (2K) or giving a caller the right implied odds to chase his straight/flush.

I like KQ in middle and late positions for the point already made. You can feel for where you are after the flop. I agree with the poster who said this changes with deep stacks though, where the flopped monsters might change my EV into the negative.

[JayKon]

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"King-Queen rules in the land of the unraised pot."

There a British TV poker commentator named Jmaes Browning who has made this a catchphrase. Is there any validity to it?

He's talking about NL, probably toourney play.

(And I just called a raise on the button with KQs as I wrote this.)

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God, I hope a lot of people listen to his show!

[Farfenugen]

What an absurd comment.

Is it playable? Yes

Does it dominate? No.

You can win all the small pots you want with KQs but it is easy to get stacked by AXs in an unraised pot.

[JayKon]

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What an absurd comment.

Is it playable? Yes

Does it dominate? No.

You can win all the small pots you want with KQs but it is easy to get stacked by AXs in an unraised pot.

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Like I said, I hope a lot of people listen to this guy.