$50 PLO8: Tricky three way pot

[MattS]

Paradise Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
9 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $30.05
UTG+1: $48.75
Hero: $47.55
MP2: $36.25
MP3: $66.00
CO: $19.25
Button: $24.30
SB: $60.75
BB: $25.45

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is MP1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $2</font>, MP2 calls, 3 folds, SB calls, BB calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($10, 5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $10</font>, MP2 folds, SB calls, BB folds, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($40, 3 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets $40</font>, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 calls all-in $36.75</font>, Hero???

The action on the turn indicates (assuming halfway decent opponents) that I am against a high hand better than my pair of kings and probably also against another A2xx, right? Are my uncounterfeitable low draw and my wrap straight draw enough to call?

[gergery]

Yes

[EffenDolts]

This seems to be about the worst you could be up against, given that nobody came to life until the turn:

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1857568
pokenum -o8 ah ks 5s 2d - ac 3h 4c 9d - jc js ad 2s -- kc 4d 3c jh
Omaha Hi/Low 8-or-better: 36 enumerated boards containing Kc 3c 4d Jh
cards scoop HIwin HIlos HItie LOwin LOlos LOtie EV
Ks 5s 2d Ah 2 5 29 2 3 0 15 0.229
Ac 4c 9d 3h 3 8 28 0 0 0 0 0.153
Js 2s Jc Ad 15 21 13 2 0 0 15 0.618

I gave the villains NFD, 2 pair, set, and nut-lo draw. You might only be against two high hands with no other A2. Even if this is the case only 20% of the time, I think you have to call with the odds you are getting.

[MattS]

I called the turn, caught the 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] on the river and scooped my biggest pot so far. SB showed A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] and UTG+1 showed A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].

But after running a simulation I am really surprised how much of an underdog I was on the turn:

Omaha Hi/Low 8-or-better: 36 enumerated boards containing Kc 3c 4d Jh
cards scoop HIwin HIlos HItie LOwin LOlos LOtie EV
Ks 5s 2d Ah 3 5 31 0 3 0 14 0.208
Js Ac Qc Kd 16 26 7 3 0 0 0 0.625
As Qs 6s 2c 0 2 31 3 0 3 14 0.167

[vingte]

I was the SB in this hand

[MadScientist]

On the flop, you can get it all in, but on the turn??
I think you've got to fold there with a pot that is as small as it is and a draw with only a few scoop outs.

[graarrg]

yeah- if you know you're against another A2 then your 5's are worth half as much, there are only 2 2's left in the deck, and 2 aces. You also might have a couple of outs on the king. That's definitely not enough equity.

Call here and pay me off [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[mxyzptlk]

[ QUOTE ]
I called the turn, caught the 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] on the river and scooped my biggest pot so far. SB showed A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] and UTG+1 showed A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].

But after running a simulation I am really surprised how much of an underdog I was on the turn:

Omaha Hi/Low 8-or-better: 36 enumerated boards containing Kc 3c 4d Jh
cards scoop HIwin HIlos HItie LOwin LOlos LOtie EV
Ks 5s 2d Ah 3 5 31 0 3 0 14 0.208
Js Ac Qc Kd 16 26 7 3 0 0 0 0.625
As Qs 6s 2c 0 2 31 3 0 3 14 0.167

[/ QUOTE ]

you're getting better than 3-1 to call. so what. easy call there. your range of equity is 20-25% at the worst, so it's fine.