About bad beats again

[Gutoid]

Lately in NLH a fairly good player stated that:
If I had Q9o and my opponnent had AQo and the flop was AAQ and then after the turn and river. the board was AAQQ9, that I would be taking a "bad beat" even though I was already out-boated by the nut Boat on the flop. He said it was a bad beat because the probability of being out-boated like that was very small. Do you (my faithful poker experts) agree? Also, does this mean that if one has a boat, that one should push it even if it's not the nut boat due to small odds of being beaten by a higher boat? Is this advice the same for pushing the lesser straight as well?

[QuickLearner]

If you're behind all the way it can't be a "bad beat." It's just ugly, that's all. Normally you shouldn't spend a lot of time worrying about losing to a bigger FH, but if you ask whether I "push" this one, well probably I need a couple of questions answered.

First, by "push" do you mean get all your chips in, or do you mean play the hand fast? And, it depends on how deep the money is. In the example, I would probably pay off a reasonable raise (maybe half pot) on the river, but I wouldn't like doing it. There's no way I invest a lot of money in this, though. I do normally play big hands fast, because if the villain has a good hand he'll play along, and if he doesn't...it makes no difference whether I play fast. I'm not going to collect much anyway. I don't have a big hand in the example, though. Q9 is weak all the way to the river, so I wouldn't have a reason to play it fast.

The ace is a special case. At low limits, the one card I figure to see in my opponents' hands is an ace, because everybody seems to play every ace they're dealt, no matter how miserable the other card is. So when the flop comes AAQ I figure I'm up against a set and fold to any big bet. If the villain slow plays all the way hoping I catch something, and I boat up on the river, he'll collect something from me, but not a lot. Not with AA on the board.

[deacsoft]

Some people might refer to that as a "cooler", but a bad beat it is not.

[DeliciousBass]

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Lately in NLH a fairly good player stated that:
If I had Q9o and my opponnent had AQo and the flop was AAQ and then after the turn and river. the board was AAQQ9, that I would be taking a "bad beat" even though I was already out-boated by the nut Boat on the flop. He said it was a bad beat because the probability of being out-boated like that was very small. Do you (my faithful poker experts) agree? Also, does this mean that if one has a boat, that one should push it even if it's not the nut boat due to small odds of being beaten by a higher boat? Is this advice the same for pushing the lesser straight as well?

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Although I am not sure as to why I am responding to this, if the board cards had been reversed then, "bad beat" as it stands, no.

It would also help if the opponent had, oh say AJ. and you had Q9. Flop of QQ9, Turn A, River A...then I think you've got it!

As far as your last question, it depends.

Time to move on.

[SheridanCat]

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Do you (my faithful poker experts) agree?

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No. This isn't a "bad beat". The best hand held up all the way. However, this is a pretty good illustration of why we suggest passing on hands that are often dominated.

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Also, does this mean that if one has a boat, that one should push it even if it's not the nut boat due to small odds of being beaten by a higher boat?


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In a situation where a single ace in an opponents hand will give him a better full house, I wouldn't suggest pushing it too much. I would be wary of any situation where a single card will make the full house for your opponent. When the full houses possible are lower, then I think you can play it harder.

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Is this advice the same for pushing the lesser straight as well?

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How to play the "idiot end" of a straight depends on how many of your hole cards are playing and what the top cards might be. If you are playing two cards on the low end the high end doesn't include two broadway cards, then I think you're a bit safer. Still, how you play this will depend on the action to that point and other factors.

[DeuceSeven]

I call that a tough beat. A bad beat is what happens to me at the casino.

[fortunesknave]

I agree with the previous posters, that however painful this beat may be, it's not a "bad" beat.

Your question reminded me of a tournament I watched on tv recently. Sorry, I forget the sponsor. But John Dagastino raised with a ragged Ace, got smooth-called by someone with pocket Aces. Dagastino maid top pair, the other player made trip aces--eventually Dagastino made a full house, but lost to Aces full.