Feeding my inner calling station....

[chesspain]

Paradise Poker 5/10 Hold'em (10 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Unfortunately, I don't have reads on either of my opponents.


Preflop: chesspain is UTG+1 with 7, 7.
1 fold</font>, chesspain calls, UTG+2 raises</font>, 5 folds</font>, SB calls, 1 fold</font>, chesspain calls.

Flop: (7 SB) 5, 5, T (3 players)</font>
SB checks, chesspain bets</font>, UTG+2 raises</font>, SB calls, chesspain calls.

Turn: (6.50 BB) 4 (3 players)</font>
SB checks, chesspain checks, UTG+2 bets</font>, SB folds, chesspain calls.

River: (8.50 BB) J (2 players)</font>
chesspain checks, UTG+2 bets</font>, chesspain calls.

Final Pot: 10.50 BB

[SixForty]

With no read, I don't mind it. Once SB folds the turn, I'd call down.

I'd expect it to be slightly -EV, but it will help develop a read even if it is.

[tminus]

preflop is OK

i dont like the flop bet, youre semi-bluffing two players...id rather do it with one. youre just building the pot here

i REALLY dont like the flop reraise, not sure what youre thinking about here

river check-call, bleh

[chesspain]

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i dont like the flop bet, youre semi-bluffing two players...id rather do it with one. youre just building the pot here

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Who says I'm semi-bluffing?



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i REALLY dont like the flop reraise, not sure what youre thinking about here

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Ah, what hand are you looking at?

[lerxst337]

This is more a question than a comment. I don't find myself open limping with lowish pocket pairs in EP unless the table is quite loose, or raising at a very tight table. Should I change this approach? Otherwise, it seems I am in hands like this all the time--out of position against an aggressor. Chess, I just wanted your overall feeling preflop..., was the table really loose or weak tight, or is this standard for you?

Thanks in advance.

p.s. sorry, I know pf is boring to talk about, but I don't see people recommending this very often.

[WalkAmongUs]

with the flop bet, were you betting in the hopes that UTG+2 would raise to knock out SB?

with no reads i don't mind it but i'd really like some sort of indication that UTG+2 is aggressive before calling him down like this.

[Harv72b]

Preflop....meh. Been discussed a million times, you know what you're doing.

And yeah, once SB folds and you call the turn bet, you're pretty much committed to showdown unless an ace comes.

One thing, though...I know you don't have a read on UTG+1 &amp; don't know if he's really paying attention, but I think the preflop limp + donk on the paired flop pretty much gives away your hand to an observant opponent. I've been messing around a bit with check/calling the flop and donking the turn in situations like this, with fairly good results. Keeps the pot smaller and saves you a SB if that ace hits on the turn, and makes it a bit more difficult for your opponent to define your hand.

[James.]

you know what i would do pf(raise). i would 3bet the flop. if he caps i'm not calling down. i would bet/fold the turn if just called.

[TripleH68]

chesspain,

Let me say that I enjoy your subject lines.

I think that to make this limp UTG+1 profitable you have to play very well postflop. You will often wind up facing a raise back to you preflop, then out of position dodging overcards. Marginal.

I am having trouble with the turn. With no read what makes you think UTG+2 is making this bet without at least TT? And if this checks through you are dodging again on the river. I am just having trouble seeing it. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] Help me.

[JJNJustin]

Partly for my own benefit, I plugged some numbers in the spreadsheet. This was an easy hand because it was pretty much played heads up and the board wasnt too goofy.

Chance that 77 UTG+1 preflop in a 10-handed game is beaten: 27%

Chance you are beaten on the flop: 44%

Chance you are beaten on the turn: 52%

Chance you are beaten on the river: 64%

Although statistically your hand looks good enough for at least a c/c, I think you have to fold when he gets aggressive on the flop.

-J