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07-25-2006, 01:39 PM
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Semibluff with 99 on KKx board - ok?
So, this looks like a fun table. I think the pre-flop raise is pretty standard. It was my first orbit at this table so no reads. A bit surprised with all the calls...
How's my bet on the flop? I thought with two Kings on the table the chance someone has a King is pretty slim, that's why I c/b into 4 players. With the big bet (I normally would bet $6-$8 here) I'm trying to convince everyone I have a King. Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums) CO ($25) Button ($15.45) PietM ($27.75) BB ($27.20) UTG ($45.45) MP ($16.65) Preflop: PietM is SB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. PietM posts a blind of $0.10. UTG calls $0.25, MP calls $0.25, CO calls $0.25, Button calls $0.25, <font color="#CC3333">PietM (poster) raises to $2</font>, BB calls $1.75, UTG calls $1.75, MP calls $1.75, CO calls $1.75, Button folds. Flop: ($10.25) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">PietM bets $10</font> 
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#4
07-25-2006, 01:53 PM
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Re: Semibluff with 99 on KKx board - ok?
After that many people call preflop (and FWIW I think I'd either make it $4 or just limp along, $2 is rarely going to be enough to get what you want here), I'm checking the flop first to act. If the action goes bet-call or bet-raise before it gets back to me, I can fold pretty confidently. If one guy bets and everyone else gets out of the way, I'll contemplate playing on in a manner determined by my read on the villain. If it checks through and a card less than 9 hits (and not a 5), I'd probably lead out for $10 and see what happens.
EDIT: Eh, $4 preflop is probably overkill, but $3 looks good.
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#5
07-25-2006, 01:59 PM
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Re: Semibluff with 99 on KKx board - ok?
Well, first of all, this isn't a semi-bluff. A semi-bluff is when you bet or raise a decent draw. This is a CB into the whole field. I think with that many folks in the hand, I limp preflop and play for set value.
Also, no one's folding a King here. Why do you have to bet more to convince them that you have a king? If you choose to bet it, $6-$8 would do and only King's and 55 could call you.
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#6
07-25-2006, 02:04 PM
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Re: Semibluff with 99 on KKx board - ok?
Ok, the term 'semi-bluff' isn't suitable for this situation, I agree. But I thought I was ahead here more often than not.
A simple call preflop and going for set-value would've been better here, I agree.
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#7
07-25-2006, 02:08 PM
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Re: Semibluff with 99 on KKx board - ok?
So I am assuming you are also doing this with 22, AQ, and any other hand you may have happened to raise preflop?
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#8
07-25-2006, 02:12 PM
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Re: Semibluff with 99 on KKx board - ok?
[ QUOTE ]
So I am assuming you are also doing this with 22, AQ, and any other hand you may have happened to raise preflop? [/ QUOTE ] Hm, good one. I'm not sure. AQ, maybe. 22 not (don't know why?). I just figured my 99 could still be good here...
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#9
07-25-2006, 02:23 PM
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Re: Semibluff with 99 on KKx board - ok?
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] So I am assuming you are also doing this with 22, AQ, and any other hand you may have happened to raise preflop? [/ QUOTE ] Hm, good one. I'm not sure. AQ, maybe. 22 not (don't know why?). I just figured my 99 could still be good here... [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, but you said.... [ QUOTE ] If I get called I think I'm behind and check/fold... [/ QUOTE ] So in reality, there is no way you are getting to showdown anyway. Even if your hand is best, you are just hoping that noone has a king, and will fold. It doesn't matter what you are holding.
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#10
07-25-2006, 02:14 PM
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Re: Semibluff with 99 on KKx board - ok?
[ QUOTE ]
(and FWIW I think I'd either make it $4 or just limp along, $2 is rarely going to be enough to get what you want here) [/ QUOTE ] $2 is perfectly consistent with the 4BB+1/limper guideline. I'd play it the same preflop, you very likely have the best hand, but it doesn't play well in a multiway pot so you raise for value and to thin the field (which didn't happen, but that's being results orientated). [ QUOTE ] With the big bet (I normally would bet $6-$8 here) I'm trying to convince everyone I have a King. [/ QUOTE ] This reasoning is horrible.
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