my raise w/ Junk hits.

PSW · #1 07-24-2006, 02:30 PM

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saw flop|saw showdown

UTG ($92.25)
Button ($132.55)
Hero ($220.90)
BB ($118.00)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $0.50.
UTG calls $1, Button calls $1, Hero (poster) raises to $5.5, BB calls $4.50, UTG calls $4.50, Button calls $4.50.

I raised to steal and also to get my PFRes up so that they would pay me more when I had the goods.

Flop: ($22) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero bets $15, BB calls $15, UTG raises to $86.75, Button folds, Hero raises to $158.5, BB folds.

OK, I hit but represent some kind of good overpair. UTG and I have played one big hand. He lost a big hand to me w/ KK when I put him all in on the flop for $100 w/ my flush/wheel draw and as it turned out, A overcard. He thought I played that hand badly.

The question is, is this an instant call? I thought just a moment of the possibility that he had A6s but then thought it more likely AA/KK or a sc w/ the 6... and put mine in as well. Does he put me all in on the flop w/ 88?

Turn: ($282.25) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)

River: ($282.25) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)

Final Pot: $282.25

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mattnxtc · #2 07-24-2006, 02:31 PM

You can push the flop or c/r the turn ai...either way ur stack is going in

Bigmoney · #3 07-24-2006, 02:32 PM

BBV

And that raise is absolutely horrible. Im all for being creative preflop but always in LP.

kolotoure · #4 07-24-2006, 02:37 PM

Please never ever make this raise preflop when you are OOP

crookdimwit · #5 07-24-2006, 02:49 PM

Insta-call? Yep. Most likely, you were the only one who lost his mind pre-flop, so you can usually rule out someone playing A6 or K6.... You can rule out pocket sixes, obviously... I might be a little nervous that someone got carried away with 88 and got even luckier than you on the flop. But I don't think there's any getting away from this...

I'm guessing that King on the river ruined the party?

The White Rabbit · #6 07-24-2006, 03:08 PM

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And that raise is absolutely horrible.

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Please never ever make this raise preflop when you are OOP

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Never making a squeeze play from the blinds at SSNL isn't bad, but doing it once in a while is all but "absolutely horrible".

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I might be a little nervous that someone got carried away with 88

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Except for the open limping (which is bad), UTG never got "carried away" if he has 88 here, calling the pf raise IP with 88 is so standard.

PSW · #7 07-24-2006, 06:00 PM

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Please never ever make this raise preflop when you are OOP

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Well, I made my decision to do this occasionally after reading NLH:TAP where DS says to occasionally raise with the very worst hands from the blinds after limpers. This was it. I think the reasons outlined in the book are reasonable.

The real question is, does the UTG AI tell me I'm beat often enough to warrent a fold? I think no. Very unlikely UTG has K6 but he could have 88 or A6s. Thats two hands that beat me. He could also have AA, KK, 56s, 67s. I think my odds justify the call.

Any more comments that should be made?

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ajmargarine · #8 07-24-2006, 06:05 PM

Meh, I don't think you should look to get away from this. 88 or even A6 wouldn't really need to play this fast. I think you get shown crap/worse 6's enough for this to be +EV. Preflop is interesting. nh.

TheMuppet · #9 07-24-2006, 06:07 PM

You squeeze, its fine.

They call, thats bad.

You hit something, thats fine. You get action and resistance, thats bad.

You go broke, thats horrible.

Unless UTG is a cluless donkey, this is never ever good.

PSW · #10 07-24-2006, 06:34 PM

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You squeeze, its fine.

They call, thats bad.

You hit something, thats fine. You get action and resistance, thats bad.

You go broke, thats horrible.

Unless UTG is a cluless donkey, this is never ever good.

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It's funny that everyone thinks I went broke here. MHIG and he had a worse 6. Usually when I lose a pot like this I can tell what went wrong. I worry more when I win them because I don't want my thoughts to be skewed by results and call the flop AI all the time when I shouldn't.

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