Dealer coaching at the table

DeuceHigh13 · #1 07-24-2006, 11:12 AM

The game is $10/20 at the Borgata on Saturday night. This is my third hand at the table. There is a woman across the table, who is friendly with the dealer and knows him by name....she is obviously a regular. The prior hand she called bets on every round and showed down a weak hand, something like 4th pair.

Now, on the next hand, she limps UTG. She gets 3 callers and the BB. The flop comes A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]4 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]2 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] and she leads out. By the time action gets back to her, it has been raised and 3-bet. She smooth calls the extra 2 bets. The turn and river are both rags. She check/calls the turn and river. The hand was won by a player who limped with A-4.

So she tables QQ and starts mumbling about how someone can play crap like A4. Of course everyone is thinking the same thing. Not only did she not raise QQ UTG, but she ignored the Ace on the flop. Anyway, as she is bitching about her bad luck, the only person who says something is the dealer, who tells her, "You need to raise with that hand."

She responds by saying it makes no difference if she raises, and she explains how she had AA, KK, QQ all cracked in the 20/40 game earlier in the day. The dealer continues the conversation, saying that she should always raise in that situation. After some back and fourth, she eventually agrees and says "yes, you're right, I should have raised."

I almost said something to the dealer, but I didn't. The woman would have heard me and I didn't want to give her any motivation to play better. Unfortunately she left for another game two hands later.

Does anyone have a big problem with the dealer having this conversation? And if so, do you say anything to the dealer?

cardcounter0 · #2 07-24-2006, 11:17 AM

Yes, I would raise holy hell.

Not only would you PO a regular donator, but you will probably get every one who plays with her at the higher $20/$40 limit mad also.

A perfect NIT double play!

cpk · #3 07-24-2006, 11:29 AM

"Dummy up and deal" doesn't even begin to describe the intensity of the necessary remedy--how about "STFU and deal?"

AKQJ10 · #4 07-24-2006, 12:46 PM

I'd try to say something discreetly away from the table -- to the dealer if practical, but more likely to the floor.

4_2_it · #5 07-24-2006, 01:27 PM

I'd be apt to go with Al Capone's Jr's solution here.

Russ M. · #6 07-24-2006, 01:49 PM

Dealer should shut his f'ing mouth. I don't think I'd say anything to the dealer at the table though as that will not make you look good at all. Maybe mention something to a floorman like "Hey, can you tell your dealers not to instruct people how to play their hands k thx bye."

I had a similar thing happen at the cardroom I play at. Some douche is going off about how you should never play poker to win, only to have fun (lol) and you shouldn't raise with this preflop and you should always call preflop with that and the dealer is saying "yeah, you really have to play suited connectors and..." blah blah blah. STFU. Nobody cares how much you know about the game you are an f'n dealer.

fishyak · #7 07-24-2006, 01:53 PM

It's my experience that recipients of free and good advice tend to be female, and the amount and quality of advice rises in direct proportion to the female's degree of hotness. Oh, Floorman! Table, no GENDER change, please!

Bulbarainey · #8 07-24-2006, 03:43 PM

i dont have a problem if they give bad advice, but no good advice. at commerce the only advice i have seen has been bad, like the dealer telling me i should have cold called a 4-bet with KJo

disjunction · #9 07-24-2006, 03:58 PM

I understand all your perspectives, but this is mine:

(1) Schooling the fish, just a little bit, is good for the poker community. It prevents them from losing their money quick and keeps them coming back. So I don't mind the dealer ruining my immediate profit because I don't know how much money I've made in the past off of dealers making fish comfortable.

(2) Lighten up. The dealer is not there to protect your individual profit. He is there to keep customers for the casino. Arguably, he is doing his job by coaching her. (I'm not sure how much dealers coach at Blackjack, though. I think the situations should be analagous).

(3) If I can't beat someone who only knows what they've learned from dealers, I don't deserve to win at poker.

tom10167 · #10 07-24-2006, 04:12 PM

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(2)The dealer is not there to protect your individual profit. He is there to keep customers for the casino. Arguably, he is doing his job by coaching her. (I'm not sure how much dealers coach at Blackjack, though. I think the situations should be analagous).

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I disagree entirely with this.