Proper WA/WB?

GrandmaStabone · #1 07-24-2006, 03:58 AM

This looked like a texbook WA/WB sitation against any normail 3-betting range. I was planning on maybe sticking a raise in on the river depending on the board, but it got a little scary. I just wanted to make sure this is a correct application of this line as it is something I have just recently been employing more. In the past I would usually raise to define my hand which is often disastrous, especially in these HU blind situations as i feel compelled to call down with any TP if he does raise and he folds a weaker hand.

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Preflop: Hero is Button with 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
5 folds, Hero raises, SB 3-bets, 1 fold, Hero calls.

Flop: (7 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

River: (6.50 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 8.50 BB

johnnytt · #2 07-24-2006, 04:08 AM

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This looked like a texbook WA/WB sitation against any normail 3-betting range. I was planning on maybe sticking a raise in on the river depending on the board, but it got a little scary. I just wanted to make sure this is a correct application of this line as it is something I have just recently been employing more. In the past I would usually raise to define my hand which is often disastrous, especially in these HU blind situations as i feel compelled to call down with any TP if he does raise and he folds a weaker hand.

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I have recently began playing these kinds of hands like this as well. My thinking I believe is the same as yours here raising folds a weaker hand then ours and raising costs us more if villian is holding a stronger hand than ours. I think in the right situation you can raise turn or river as well. I like this play when I am in position as it does not allow villian to check behind you at any point.

TomTom · #3 07-24-2006, 07:55 AM

How is this board on the river more scary then on the flop? If villain had an 8 T J Q K as a kicker we’re dead anyway on the flop. And if he had a flush draw he sure played it badly.

The only reason to be in this hand is if you have villain on A7 – A2. If that is your read then raise you can still think about raising the river. My play is same as yours, to be a “horrible calling station” on this hand, probably win max/loose min.

Str8Fish · #4 07-24-2006, 08:27 AM

looks good.

Preytar · #5 07-24-2006, 01:01 PM

I play it the same way. I do expect that we are behind more often than not, but I am not folding without very reliable reads.

Brian

Buzz-cp · #6 07-24-2006, 01:29 PM

I think you can fold the river. There's very little that he can have that you beat 1/7.

Buzz

shadow. · #7 07-24-2006, 01:31 PM

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I think you can fold the river. There's very little that he can have that you beat 1/7.

Buzz

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no wai

Buzz-cp · #8 07-24-2006, 01:32 PM

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I think you can fold the river. There's very little that he can have that you beat 1/7.

Buzz

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no wai

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i'm too lazy to do the math, but we're playing for a chop against AQ and a win vs QQ. The others crush us, and TT is way discounted.

Buzz

GrandmaStabone · #9 07-24-2006, 01:33 PM

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I think you can fold the river. There's very little that he can have that you beat 1/7.

Buzz

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i really dont like folding this river in a blind position. I think his 3-bet range is MUCH wider in this situation.

And to the poster who asked how this river is scarier than the flop: I cant imagine a worse card coming on the river.

shadow. · #10 07-24-2006, 01:34 PM

you're losing a lot of money if you're giving such a narrow range to sb against a button raise.