plz help with this standard KK situation

[baronzeus]

does everyone agree up to this point? villain is a TAG i think, named OceanWave


just second guessing, probably nothing

Party Poker 50/100 Hold'em (9 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, BB calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (9.50 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, MP2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB folds, MP2 calls.

Turn: (5.75 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>

[DeathDonkey]

At lower limits my standard is to check the turn but in a 50 game against presumably aggro showdown monkey opponents your bet and subsequent calldown of a checkraise seems standard to me.

-DeathDonkey

[G_Dollaz]

bet all day long and calldown a c/r

[gemmer]

I always bet this and call down if raised. Not only in a 50 game.

[Scary_Tiger]

Keep in mind, he's putting you on AK. There are so many middle pairs that are going to showdown or even checkraise against you on this board.

[Beachman42]

So, the villian open raises and calls your 3 bet AFTER BB calls 2 more. You have KK, so I think we can discount AA here as it should have 4 bet. Villian is less than 5% likely to hold a Q, but if he did, why wouldn't he raise after BB folded out of the action?

Bet the turn for value &amp; I'm assuming villian c/r'ed you. In this situation, I'm tempted to 4 bet here. If you are raised by a TAG, then he prolly has the Q. If he calls &amp; checks the river, I'm betting any non-A.

[stigmata]

I don't like a 4-bet - there is very little value as villain will often fold right away with anything that you beat. You get more bets if you keep them firing away with TT or whatever, plus you get to see a showdown.

[daryn]

if he checkraises how can you 4 bet?

[baronzeus]

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if he checkraises how can you 4 bet?

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u gotta be really good at poker

[baronzeus]

by the way i originally hated 3betting a turn raise. now that i think about it its probably close to the same EV of just calling down.